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Hi guys. Had a session last night, that finally got stopped the downswing streak. This session was coming from a 6 buy-in downswing and it’s mostly my leaks and a bit of run-bad. I keep telling myself “it’s all one session anyways” so I should play good poker and it’ll work out in the long run. I worry that I may be playing too face-up as I’m not getting value for my strong hands. Please let me know if there are any adjustments I could make.
Hero stack: 260
Hero hand: QQ
Hero position: UTGV1 stack: 200
V1 hand: xx
V1 position: MPV2 stack: 250
V2 hand: xx
V2 position: BTNPreflop:
Hero opens to 12, V1 calls, V2 calls, BB calls. Four ways to a flopFlop: 3 9 3 r (with a heart)
BB checks, Hero bets 20, V1 calls, V2 calls, BB folds.Turn: 8h
Hero bets 50, V1 calls, V2 foldsRiver: Qx
Her bets 75, V1 foldsI’ve been at the table for about 40 minutes. The two villains in this hand love to see flops and they typically will call any raise after they have limped in. Their limp calling range from my notes are: Broadway cards, any ace, and medium-small pocket pairs. Interestingly, the BB is my girlfriend. She forgot what she had in the hand.
I bet out on the flop trying to get value from a 9 or unpaired over-cards the villains maybe holding. I was prepared to bet-fold the turn if I got raised, and one of them was slow playing a 3x holding. My girlfriend knew I had an over-pair and folded, which was the first indication that I maybe playing too face up.
The turn brought a heart flush draw. But I also lose to 98 holdings now, which I thought was a likely given the two villains. I didn’t bet for value. I hesitated a little and told myself to bet and maintain the lead. If I get raised here, it’s fine to fold. V1 calls and my mind raced to figure out what worst hand he is calling with:
Trips-threes would raise on the flop or here on the turn. I lose to 98 and should’ve heard from it here as well. That leaves, a 9x holding, 8x holding and back door straight and flush draws would be calling here.V2 folded and made my life at this moment easier.
When the river came, I had wished V2 would stick around as this card is in his preflop calling range. I have the virtual nuts and would lose only to quads. At the moment, I lost track of how much was in the pot and was thinking of a number he would call, and I decided on 75. I declare the bet and push 75 into the middle.
Going over the hand when I got home, I think the river bet was too small, and looked like an obvious value-bet. I’m not sure how I would get value from 9x or 8x, or even 98 holdings, when the river was an over-card.
Also, I keep reading that a straight-forward play, is the best way to move up from these levels. But I worry that my line may have been too obvious for my opponents.
The only thing I’d do differently in this hand is to bet more on each street. In 1/3 I usually open to 15, but 12 is fine. 4-ways to the flop so the pot is 49 (including the folded SB). So I’d probably bet 30-35 on the flop. When a flush draw comes on the turn I’d bet 60-70% pot (so as played maybe 65). You absolutely should continue on the river once you boat up. You can size down a bit to target something like JJ or TT – maybe 40% pot (as played about 80 or 85 – so this street was the one where you were closest to the right sizing imo).
Don’t beat yourself up about not getting called on the river. It’s hard to get 3 streets of value on a relatively dry board. Getting two streets of value is a good result. Well done! 🙂
Thank you for you feedback Dave. My usual open is 15, but I was not getting any action at all at the table. I sized down to get a little action for my hands, but I can easily lose track of the pot. I’m becoming aware of how difficult it is to keep track of everyone during hands, it’s definitely a mental marathon.
You said a few things wrong here. On the turn, 98 doesn’t beat you. They have to pair (9’s and 8’s), but you still have a better two pair (Q’s and 3’s). So you don’t really need to worry about this card. It’s actually great for you because they may feel their hand is better now but they are still behind.
As far as playing face up, I don’t really think that’s true. The question here is do you bet AK or two overs here? If you do, you’re not really playing face up. Sure, there are 3 callers so the c-bet isn’t mandatory, but how would you play other hands here? If you’re c-betting your overs some of the time, you’re not playing face-up at all.
Most 1-3 players are fairly face up. There are some tricky players, but most players follow a similar format. Not much bluffing, not much aggression. They’ll bet when they have it and will usually only c-bet or continue one street if they don’t.
Bet your big hands.
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