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  • #2998
    Han
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    Hi guys. I ran across a hand from Bart Hanson’s YouTube channel. The call-in was a hand from $1-3. CLP video

    I was listening and trying to play from the callers point of view. I was trying to figure out how the hero’s hand plays against V1 range. I’ll detail my thought process below. Please let me know if I’m missing something or areas where I need to improve. Thanks in advance.

    I’ll quickly summarize the hand in the video:

    Hero stack: 360
    Hero hand: KQo
    Hero position: BTN

    V1 stack: ???
    V1 hand: K10
    V1 position: UTG

    Preflop:
    V1 opens $15, MP calls, Hero calls. 3 ways to the flop

    Flop: K 3 5 r
    V1 bets 45, MP folds, Hero calls

    Turn: 4c putting two clubs on the board
    V1 bets 115, hero calls

    River: 2h
    V1 checks, Hero checks

    Preflop. I think the call from the button with this trouble hand is ok, against an early position raise. Probably looking to hit the flop hard against the UTG range given the immediate pot odds.

    So preflop, I gave V1 the opening range advantage:
    6 combos of AA
    1 combos of KK
    8 combos of AK
    3 combos of QQ
    6 combos of JJ
    6 combos of 1010
    6 combos of 99
    6 combos of 88
    6 combos of KQ
    8 combos of KJ
    3 combos of A5 suited

    On the flop, the combo of hands that beat hero are: AA, KK, and AK. This amounts to 15 combos
    The combinations of hands that hero beats amounts to 36.

    When villain made a pot size bet, I thought a strong opening hand or one with a king in it was very likely. I narrowed it down to: AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJ, QQ, JJ, 1010, and even 99

    Hero loses to: AA, KK, AK – 15 combos
    Hero wins against: KJ, QQ, JJ, 1010, 99 – 29 combos

    Facing a pot sized bet from an early position-preflop raiser is pretty close here. I’m not sure if hero calling is correct.

    The Turn: Hero faces a half-size pot bet. When I was listening and watching the board, V1 bet appears to be a blocking bet possibly worried of the front-door straight that came in. For me, this was screaming top pair with a king or better.

    So I narrowed it to: AA, KK, AK, KJ, KQ
    Hero loses to: AA, KK, AK – 15 combos
    Hero wins against: KJ – 8 combos
    Hero chops again: KQ – 6 combos

    This was the range I assigned V1 at the time. I thought it was very close. I nearly yelled at the monitor for a fold!

    The pot odds on the turn was about 3.17 to 1. I’m not sure if this is a profitable call here. Personally, I would’ve probably fold in this spot.

    The river: The check from V1, likely eliminates an ace in his hand. So I got it down to only: KK, KQ, KJ

    Hero loses to: KK – one combo
    Hero wins against: KJ – 8 combos
    Hero chops against: KQ – 6 combos

    This changed everything I thought. I thought a clear value bet was warranted here. Only 1 combo of KK is left. It’s possible he could’ve slowed down with AK. Possible bet fold in this spot?

    As played, V1 actual hand surprised me. That was a pretty loose open from EP. Maybe hero in this game knew more about the villain and made a live read.

    • This topic was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by Han.
    #3000
    John S
    Participant

    I think you ranged villain a bit too tight. A lot of suited broadway hands will raise pre and continue on the flop. Being the pre-flop raiser it’s easy to represent and ace or a king, whether you have it or not.

    Couldn’t the villain have QTs, QJs, JTs, 89s, etc.? The caller said he’s seen the villain show up with some questionable hands, so you have to give the villain a wider range, even if he’s raising. I’ve seen some guys open some really questionable hands, and I know I will open a lot of suited connectors to take charge of the hand.

    On the flop, I don’t think you quite narrow the hands down right. Why would someone bet pot if they flopped a set of kings on that board? Or had AA or AK? It’s not unheard of, but generally even a bad player understands they want value from their really strong hands.

    On the turn, this is a close call to me. The caller’s hand is strong, and sometimes you have to make these calls even if you lose sometimes. But like Bart said, most players are checking the river, so it should be the last bit of money that goes into this pot.

    One of the problems with watching video’s from guys like Brad or Andrew is they are playing higher stakes than we are playing, and therefore are playing against better and more thinking players. At 1/3, there are smart and thinking players, but there are often guys that just do crazy things (like the villain in this hand) and we have to take into account that we will run into these types of players. You can’t always give players the benefit that they are thinking players.

    I’ve learned a lot from Bart’s videos, but two of the biggest things are 1. I was overestimating players abilities (thought most of them were thinking players when that’s obviously not the case), and 2. sometimes you have to put money in the pot knowing you will lose.

    #3009
    Han
    Participant

    Oh no! I suck again!

    John, thank you for the feedback. I did miss the part about the V1 description.

    When I adjusted for the hands mentioned, it makes it an easy call on the flop. I’m a little confused about removing KK from the flop. But I can see your point about how the flop size bet is likely not a bet from top-set. Wouldn’t want to blow away the opposition.

    Had the river bet came villain. I’m curious to know what the play would be. Would AA, KK, and Kx hands be likely?

    Yea, I agree about watching Brad and Andrew’s video. Interesting spots they end up in, but not useful at all for 1/2 and 1/3. Maybe that’s why Brad is not on this thread…lol.

    Do you take notes on players? I have a little notebook and take down what they did in different spots. Most of the notes right now are what hole cards they show up with and playing style.

    I’m still working on point #2 =). I’m trying to mentally train myself to play poker and not think about the $$$.

    Have you been posting hands John? I want to try and analysis your hands and see if what I can conclude. If you can, could you leave out the villains hand and the end result?

    #3015
    John S
    Participant

    I’m not saying Brad and Andrew’s videos aren’t useful – they really are. They teach a lot of useful things like how to bet and when to bet. They also have things we can learn about what opponents do in certain situations. You just have to be careful when they talk about the more advanced strategies (and the strategies of their opponents) because that is above the skills of the vast majority of 1/3 players, so when you do things like that it’s lost in the game and you can level yourself. I’m talking about stuff like a balanced range (it’s important to balance your range, but not to the level they do), bluffing frequency, etc. You have to be careful thinking about blockers when your opponent has no clue what that concept even is. Stuff like that. You can be 100% successful at 1/3 and even 3/5 by not having 3 and 4-bet bluffs in your range.

    Constructing a pre-flop range is can be difficult to do, and it really depends on the villain. Unless you have a super-tight old man coffee, or just a loose passive fish, most people who raise will have suited broadway in their raising range. The looser/more aggressive the player, the wide the range, and the more middle to low pocket pairs you include, lower suited connectors, more semi-connectors, etc. That’s why I ranged this player wider.

    In this case, when you call with KQ and this flop comes, I don’t think you have ever fold. You hit about as well as you can hit, if you’re not calling here then why are you calling pre-flop? I know you would call this flop, but that’s something to keep in mind – if you’re calling pre-flop how much do you have to hit a flop to continue.

    Then you need to look at the villain’s c-bet range and frequency. I think a lot of guys will continue betting (and betting strong) with QQ, JJ, TT, etc. So you have to take stuff like that into consideration. The villain here was just out of line with his betting (and the hand he had).

    I don’t take notes on players. My poker room is big enough that I see repeat opponents, but often I’m at a table with mostly players I’ve never seen before. I generally look at a few different things when I’m figuring out players:
    1. Are they tight, loose, somewhere in the middle?
    2. Do they like to gamble or are they nitty, or somewhere in the middle?
    3. Do they seem competent or have no clue what’s going on? Do they understand position? How to steal? Do they play pots differently heads-up vs. multiway? Etc.
    4. What is their C-bet frequency? And what is their continue on the flop frequency when I’m the raiser and I c-bet?
    5. Are they paying attention? Are they on their phone? Does the dealer constantly have to remind them it’s their turn or to put their blinds in?
    6. There are also some stereotypes that I look at. Are they old (60+)? Generally a tight nitty player. Are they young? Generally loose and lots of action. Do they seem really wealthy (and brag about all the money they make or how they make XXX amount in an afternoon so this money means nothing to them? Generally lots of action. Female players are generally play tight. There’s stereotypes of Asians (specifically young Asians) are very loose and aggressive.
    7. Are they winning a lot or losing a lot? On tilt? On a heater?

    I put all of that together with the actions that I see at the table and you create an image for that player. And it keeps changing, and players will play different depending on their mood. Are they laughing and joking or are they swearing under their breath? Sure, you can take notes on specific players, but you don’t always see them at the table so you have to be able to be able to make reads on players on the spot. Granted, this isn’t always accurate, but it’s how I slowly build up info on players that I probably have never seen before and may never see again.

    I haven’t posted my hands much lately for a few reasons. I don’t get a chance to play much, mainly. Last few times I did, I just didn’t run into too many interesting spots. The one session I did, the session turned into an 8 hour session. I didn’t take notes during, and by the end I only remember vague details and didn’t remember positions, chip stacks, bets sizes, etc., so I didn’t think it was right to post incomplete hands where the action is wrong. I know I need to take better notes of those hands, but Brad mentioned something in one of his vlogs – it’s hard to play at your best and take accurate notes, and I really agree with that. It’s one thing if you play a hand then sit out for fold a bunch of hands right after it, but if you’re getting good cards it’s hard to be accurate.

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