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Hi guys. I had a very interesting spot in tonights game. I was up against two villains. Villain 1 just looked like a losing player when I got to the table. He looked upset, did not seem interested in the game, and looked liked he was trying to chase after a lost. The second villain, was your classic NIT.
Hero stack: 400
Hero position: HJ
Hero hand: 44V1 stack: 500
V1 position: SB
V1 hand: ???V2 stack: 200
V2 position: BB
V2 hand: QQPreflop:
Hero opens 10, V1 calls, V2 calls.Pot: 30
Flop: 4 6 Q rainbow
V1 checks, V2 checks, hero bets 15, V1 calls, V2 callsPot: 75
Turn: 3c
V1 checks, V2 checks, hero bets 55, V1 raise to 180, V2 all-in for less, hero tank-folds.River: blank
I was watching V1 count out his raising chips. I was thinking, this is not a set raising, and it’s most likely two-pair. I was ready to stack off with him, if and only if V2 got out of the way. I was disappointed when V2 shoves.
V2 does not get it in, unless he has the effective nuts. His shove after a bet, check-raise was screaming strength to me. I couldn’t see him holding 57 here or 52 here. I strongly believed that V1 had two-pair here, so I when I thought about the combos of sets V2 could have, QQ was the most likely holding.
I considered my options against V1. If I had just called, I’m not sure if he would continue on the river. If I raised, I’m not sure he’ll call either. Both scenarios would not make it worth it against V2 range. I decided on a fold here, not relying on V1’s further aggression. I let it go and V1 lost to the set.
He then told V2 that he “knew” he had me crushed, but was worried about V2. If only he knew…lol. I may have missed an opportunity to stack him in a side pot, but I was still happy with my decision.
Was this fold too nitty?
Against 2 villains, including one that you think is a nit, that fold isn’t bad at all. Your equity shrinks a lot when two people. Sure, if V2 is an OMC this could be KK or AA, or maybe AQ. But you have to know your opponent here. Not many players I fold a set to here, but there are a few and if you know them then they are pretty easy to exploit. If you know he’s only doing this with a set, it’s an easy fold. Just don’t show your cards when you do because this can be exploited by other players.
Pretty funny how V1 “knew” he had you crushed. Just let these guys keep yapping. It’s funny because Bart mentioned that last week and most players have no clue – they “put” you on a hand when they see it. I’m sure in some games, given the chip stacks, you could have called and made a profit again him, but most likely he’s done with the pot if you both call. He probably had a good Q or a hand like TT and wasn’t putting any more money into the pot.
I’m stacking off in this spot. If my math is correct, V2 has already put in 80 of a 200 stack when he pushes all in. He is pretty committed to this pot (40% of his stack is already in) so he may be shoving a little light with a hand like AQ. Also, the side pot if you re-raise or shove and V1 calls could be much larger than the main pot. I don’t see how a fold can be a positive EV play here especially considering the stack depths. Just because he had it doesn’t mean the fold is correct but if you have a really good read on this player then making an exploitable fold is not horrible.
@Platopoker, it was a difficult spot for me, but I had a real read on V2 having a better set than I did. His is pretty close to the nitty-OMC type, so he’s not putting all his chips in, unless he has a powerful hand. I knew I was beat and lost the main pot.
For the side pot, I had two options to move forward: Call and hope V1 will put the rest in on the river. Shove and hope V1 calls. Both options depended on V1’s reaction to both our action. When I got to the table my image of him, was that he just looked like a losing player. He clearly looked unhappy. I think he may have been stuck. He just looked like he wished to be somewhere else. He probably thought I was a fish, who knows. I just didn’t want to bet on him calling me, if I had called or raised, and lose to V2. If he had shoved all-in at first, I would’ve stacked off with him.
@John, that is a good point. If we were both deeper, I could probably make the call and try to get him to get it in on the river. But I still find it unlikely with this player pool. I see most of them checking side-pots when they have the winning hand.
His table talk afterwards, made it seem like he would’ve called. He was convinced that he had me beat. But I’m happy with my decision. This could probably be a good hand to call into Bart.
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