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Hi guys, I have an insane hand that occurred last night. I just had to share the results here, and how I just couldn’t find a fold like an amateur.
Hero stack: 260
Hero hand: QQ
Hero position: SBV1 stack: 600
V1 hand: 1010
V1 position: UTGV2 stack: 180
V2 hand: JJ
V2 position: MPV3 stack: 350
V3 hand: AA
V3 Position: HJPreflop:
V1 opens to 15, V2 flats, V3 flats, hero 3bets to 85, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 shoves, hero shoves, V1 shoves, V2 calls.The runout!: A 10 7 7 Q
V2 is the only regular I recognize and she is a bit of a calling station up to the river, with virtually any two cards. She loves to see flops and tends to call big raises with really speculative hands. This is the first time I’ve seen V1 and V3, they were on the younger side and I thought they were probably aggressive players.
When the action came to me, I elected to 3bet and tried to take it down preflop with a large raise. The pot got so bloated when V1 and V2 just calls. V3 now 4bet shoves and I’m not liking the situation. I thought “one of these assholes has got to have AA or KK here, and he probably has it!”
I did the math quickly at the table and concluded I get 3-1 on my all-in call. I knew V2 would be calling as well bloating the pot some more. V1 gets in the mix and we are 4 ways to the flop in a super bloated pot.
I was amazed to see all premium hands turned over on the table, with my QQ second best. I was a little disappointing I couldn’t find a fold. 4bet shoving is so rare in this game.
It was even more amazing to see three hands fill-up and AA holding here.
I actually like this call, which I know is odd from me since I’m always going on about how 4-bets are always AA or KK. You calling entices the players behind you to call. Assuming they both call, which given the action I think is likely, you are calling $175 into a pot of around 785.
Plus, you can’t look at it in terms of set mining. Since you are seeing all 5 cards, you actually have more chances to make a set if you are behind pre-flop. You have around 17% equity here against these hands, and upwards of 20% if you have a highest of a given suit and one of the villains has AK.
You can fold here, but I wouldn’t fault you for that, but with these chipstacks I prefer the call. Rough that you boated up and still lost.
Lol yea John! You’re getting pretty nice, or maybe the quality of my decisions are getting better =) Yea the whole table made a huge stink at this hand. We were all wondering what V1 was thinking, as this should’ve been a clear fold for him.
Even then, a 4bet shove into 3 other opponents is screaming strength. Had I just flat, I think I could’ve gotten away cheaper by seeing the flop. But I’m really trying to not think that way as it does seem to leak into my future sessions.
Uh oh, I don’t want to seem like the nice guy or pushover on this forum. :p
I’ve played a lot of lower stakes poker for a lot of years, and I’ve seen a lot. It was only in this last year and a half or so that I started to move up in stakes and I noticed a lot of my own leaks.
Here, I wouldn’t hate a fold, as I think you’re behind like 80-90% of the time. Occasionally V3 shows up with AK here, but often it’s AA and KK. But once you call, people get stubborn and just won’t fold their pairs here since the pot is so big. A lot of players think they understand pot odds and calling price but they don’t, and that is something we can exploit in the right situations.
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