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Hi guys. Please let me know your thoughts on the line I took during last nights session, where I decided to set-mine a snug player and a maniac.
I had been at the table for about 1.5 hours and couldn’t really get anything going. The game however, was filled with action. Half the table were action players willing to gamble and play literally every hand for any price preflop.
Game: $1-3 NL
Hero Stack: $450
Hero Position: UTG
Hero Hand: 44V1 stack $1500
V1 position: UTG2
V1 Hand: 1010V2 Stack $600
V2 Position: BTN
V2 Hand: ???Preflop action: Hero limps, V1 raises to 23, folds to V2 on the button and he calls, hero calls for $20 more.
Flop: 9 4 2 r
Flop Action: Hero checks, V1 bets $40, V2 calls, Hero raises $180, V1 tanks for a minutes and folds, V2 tanks for a minute and annouces All-In, Hero CallsTurn: Qc
River: AdHero shows his hand and V2 mucks.
I had been pretty card dead at this table and couldn’t get much of at this action table. I suppose my image at the table was very tight after nearly an hour of folding.
V1 in this hand, had been playing pretty snug I believe, and did not see him get out of line at all. He played a pretty straight forward game.
V2, I had played with before, and he is very loose and aggressive. When he sense weakness, he would fire. Sometimes throwing in a good amount of chips without looking at the board, when it’s checked to him. In this game, I labeled him as a maniac as he had been opening for 10x frequently. By the time we were involved in a hand with him, he had tilted off about $300 in previous hands.
I usually do not open limp, as I know it is a bad strategy. But I wanted to be involved with a hand and see what develops on the flop. So I open limp, like a donkey. V1 raises to $23 and I put him on a very narrow range of premium hands only. It folded to V2 and he calls on the button. It folded back to me and thought it was time to set-mine. I need $20 more to call, so I said to myself, “I need the effective stack to be at least $200.” Once quick glance, and I closed the action.
A red 2 was in the window, and then I saw the dealer peel out a black 4. “Middle Set!” I yelled in my head. I decided to check to V1, who I thought should C-bet on this board. He bets for $40 and I watched V2 slowly call. I quickly calculated the pot: 80 on the flop, and about 60 preflop.
It was a dry board and I didn’t want to slow play the hand. I was OOP against both opponents and one of them was maniac that appeared to be tilted. V2 range was very wide. So I wanted to simply take the hand down at the moment and move on to the next hand. I raise to $180.V1 tanks for awhile and folds. V2 tanks, gives me the stare down while I’m just staring at the 4 on the flop. He declares “All-in.” I look over at him and throw in the “One-chip” call, and our hand holds.
I was surprised he shoved. I think I may have lost value from V1, but I was OOP against two opponents with two more streets to come and did not want to face another street when them both.
Please let me know my plays on each street. My open limp was a terrible play, but how did I do on the flop? Thank you!
I don’t mind the open limp at this level. There’s generally a lot of limping at these games, and since some people even limp huge hands like AA or KK, you’re really not changing your range too much. Most people aren’t paying enough attention or thinking on such a level to understand that you’re really only open limping with small pairs or small suited connectors. Plus, these types of hands you don’t mind playing multi-way as they are easy to play post flop – you either hit or you fold.
As far as the hand, I think you played it fine. You could really go either way on checking or raising the flop.
Case to raise – you’ve got two players already committing money, so at least one of them should be able to call the raise. I think in a lot of cases, you do what to raise.
Case to call – you are fairly short stacked here. If you only call, there’s about $190 in the pot and you have about $390. Shouldn’t be hard to get all of the money in. Plus, this flop is incredibly dry, and the only thing you have to worry about is another player hitting a set. For that reason, I might lean more towards calling here to get one more street of value from both players and check-jam the turn.
Really interested as to what V2 had. Not much makes sense. Shouldn’t be a bluff considering the strength you displayed with the check-raise. Maybe JJ or KK that wanted to trap and not 3-bet pre-flop? Hard to say.
Either way, nice pot. Taking down a 300bb+ pot is always a great hand.
@John S.
Yes thank you for the feedback. V2 is a bit of a maniac and appeared to be tilted during this hand. I wanted to see his hand as well, but I opted to quickly show my hand.
I had been running the scenario of Calling the Flop and check-Jamming the turn. The Queen on the turn would’ve probably slowed down V1, as he does not get out of line much. V2 would’ve definitely bet big on the turn having two players checking to him. Though I can’t predict whether he would call my jam, it is still nice to get this pot, which is the largest I’ve won thus far. Phew.
I tend to keep a close eye on the open-limpers. Especially ones that seem to know what they are doing. Its spots and action like this, I fold over pairs easily, just like V1 in this hand.
Looking back at this hand, I seem to have moments of playing my A game and playing like a donk. At this table, I clearly remember having to play a tight-game due to the gamblers at the table. I actually determined what was in the pot as well….lol. I need to come up with a strategy to play my best game every session.
I came across Bart’s topic of going from 10-20 to 15-25-35 calling odds. I’m a little confused about this topic, because its appears to be a fold by the 15-25-35 rule.
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