$1-3 NL – The check-min-raise

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  • #3149
    Han
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    Hi guys. Just wanted to post a few interesting spots I was in during last nights session. This hand, villain was fairly quiet at the table, but I was only there for 30 minutes and couldn’t really profile him. He did win a pot in the hand before this one with pocket kings on a queen high board from the BB, and he played the hand fast. His play against me was the interesting part of the hand.

    Hero stack: 240
    Hero hand: 32hh
    Hero position: a

    Villain stack: 300
    Villain hand: QQ
    Villain position: SB

    Preflop:
    3 limps to hero, hero limps, V1 raises to 18, only hero calls.

    Pot: ~50
    Flop: 9 8 5 hhc
    Villain checks, hero 20, villain raise to 45, hero calls

    Pot: ~140
    Turn: Jh
    Villain checks, hero bets 80, villain 160, hero all-in, villain calls

    River: ~480

    Villain made the similar play in the previous hand when he had KK. When he played this hand in the same manner, I wasn’t sure if he did have another pocket pair, but his bet size made me think his range is fairly strong. I’ve been told the hand I’m holding plays fairly well in position, in single raised pot. I see a flop.

    Villain checks the flop and I’m thinking he probably has ace-high here. I look at the board and it looks good for my range and I think I have some fold equity. I bet thinking I can just take it down. To my surprise, he puts in a raise! “Not ace-high”

    I had spent the previous two weeks studying the game. One thing that stuck with me is the min-raise on later streets. I attribute this to Bart Hanson. Studying off the felt is really helping my thought process as well.

    I looked at the raise amount and thought, “that’s pretty much a min-raise.” I know this raise is not a set almost 100% of the time, and he probably doesn’t have two-pair. I’m holding two hearts in my hand, so its likely he doesn’t have a draw either. I put him squarely on over-pairs. It’s possible he has top-top with a flush redraw, but I was pretty confident on my read.

    I call hoping to snag him on the turn, because he is not getting away from his over-pair.

    Villain checks the turn. I bet for value. He check min-raises me again! “What a weird line!” I look at the board and its not paired. I’m 100% at this point that he’s holding a one pair hand, and likely an overpair. “If he does have a flush redraw, then I’m just unlucky” I shove, knowing he’ll call.

    The river comes and I flip over my mini-flush. Here comes the interesting part. As he flips over his hand, he’s saying how that is a bad beat. He looks over at me and says, “that was a terrible call on the flop man, you got lucky!” To which I reply, “yea I was drawing pretty thin there.” The dealer pushes me the pot and he says to the dealer “How could you give him hearts man!”

    The dealer tries to ignore him, and I interject, not wanting things to be awkward. I tip the dealer, and he thanks me. I continue and say to the dealer, “No I insist, thank you.” To which the dealer replies, “No I insist, thank you” So the hand is over and villain is quiet now, but clearly still tilted and festered by the hand.

    #3154
    John S
    Participant

    So, besides the limp-call pre-flop, I don’t see much that you did wrong. Let’s critique the villain.

    He pretty much did nothing right in the hand. Raised way to small pre-flop with 3 limpers. Checks a draw heavy board that hits a limp-callers range pretty hard, then min-raises. Then does the same thing on the turn when the board gets worse. I honestly don’t think you can play QQ worse.

    The min-raise is so valuey because it’s hard for the initial bettor to not be getting a good price to call. It’s not like he flopped quads and was going for value. You have to really have a particular image to min-raise bluff successfully, and those players just don’t exists at 1/3.

    This player is just a bad player. He doesn’t understand why he’s betting, doesn’t understand ranges, and doesn’t understand what bets (both his and yours) means. He also fell in love with his overpair and couldn’t let it go. He’s probably also scared money, so you can probably get him off of a marginal hand with aggression.

    #3156
    Han
    Participant

    Hi John!

    Aww man, I thought I played this hand perfectly. Was my limp-call preflop a bad play? I’ll check it, but I think I had the right odds to call his raise preflop.

    I agree that he fell in love with his hand. He probably got a little winner’s tilt with his KK the previous hand. I think he was trying to get me off my hand. If he had raised 4x on the flop, I may have folded to his “protection bet”

    Thanks for the feedback John. This hand is a good-example of a bad-example.

    #3158
    John S
    Participant

    I just think that 32 and 43 are too low to even limp into a pot with. They just don’t flop as well as other hands – you have less straight possibilities, people can’t flop an underpair to you, etc. 54 is kind of borderline here between fold and a call. 65 is pretty much the lowest suited connector you want to play outside of the blinds (you can mix 54 in from time to time, but no lower).

    65s has 4% more equity than 32s vs QQ, and a full 5% more over AA. It seems small, but it’s one of those little things that improves your game and win-rate over the long run.

    In one of his recent videos, Bart talks about taking non-broadway suited double gappers out of his pre-flop range (T7s, 85s, etc.), and it improve his win-rate. Not the same as your situation, just similar. Little things like this slightly raise your equity and puts you in more winning situations.

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