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08/11/2018 at 12:09 pm #3150
HanParticipantI’m usually not in pots with the villain in this hand. I think he and I started at the same stake at the same time, but I think his game evolved much more than mine. I’ll be honest, I pegged him as a thinking player, but I’m not sure what a thinking-player is really. He knows how to apply intelligent pressure at times and can mix it up.
Hero stack: 360
Hero hand: KJhh
Hero position: CutVillain stack: 325
Villain hand: A7dd
Villain position: UTGPreflop:
Villain opens 15, only hero callsPot: 30
Flop: A Q 7 r
Villain bets 15, hero callsPot: 60
Turn: 10c
Villain bets 45, hero raise to 100, villain reraise all-in, hero callsPot: 650
River: blankPreflop was pretty standard here. I thought about 3betting going heads-up, but against this villain and his EP-raise, I thought better of it.
The flop was ok for me, and I had position. When he bet out, I thought that was a good price for me to draw to my gut-shot. Looking back at it though, he was betting for value.
Gin on the turn. He bets a little over half-pot, which he often does. I raise, targeting his Ace, I didn’t give him credit for two pair here. He tanks, and tanks. He glanced at his cards again, and I thought this was a sign that he was folding, but he tanks. Then he shoves and I call and scoop.
Going over this hand off the felt, I’m struggling to understand his shove. I guess what I’m asking, is what is my preceieved range, on the turn, and why he would shove.
He has top-and-bottom on the turn. I could be repping 6 combos of A10, 6 combos of AQ, 3 combos of 1010, that crush his hand. He probably discounted QQ, because I didn’t 3bet. Then there is the 16 combos of KJ.
Maybe he thought I had Q10 and made two pair on the turn. 9 combos of Q10 that he crushes. Maybe, he knew I had the straight and my raise left about a pot sized bet for both us for the river. He probably wanted to make sure he got paid-off is the 7 or A paired the board. 6 outs and raising ~ 100 more to win ~400.
I’m glad I won a hand against this villain, as it boosted my confidence back. But I’m trying to understand his play here and wondering if you guys would play it the same way. Please let me know
08/11/2018 at 4:58 pm #3155John S
ParticipantHis raise doesn’t make much sense. Not sure what he was putting you on, but what worse hands do you ever call with? QT is about the only one I call a 3-bet shove there with, but I’m not happy about it.
Does KQ ever call here? QJ? JT? AJ? Just doesn’t make much sense.
As for your play, I don’t like the small raise here. Pretty much a min-raise. I like to keep my raises around 3x unless I’m trying to polarize my hand. I think $125 is the smallest raise I would make here.
08/11/2018 at 6:52 pm #3157
HanParticipantHey John. I agree my turn-raise was a little small here. I’ll try to explain my sizing here.
In my previous post, where I lost big pots and made big mistakes, this villain was at table during those sessions. I think I have a terrible-losing image to him, maybe thinks I’m a bad player, given the hands he has seen me play. He know’s I’ll have a big hand when I start shoving a lot of chips into the pot.
Luckily, I have the nuts in this hand. I wanted build a pot. I believed at the very least he had an ace here, and I did not want him to fold. My reasoning is going to be a little drawn out, but I’ll try to be concise.
I’ve seen most of the regulars shove in this spot and just get worst hands such as top-pair to fold. I’m committed to “value-owning” myself at this stake, so I’m learning how to figure out what max-value is in relation to my opponents range. For example, I’m trying to figure out how much to bet and get my opponent to call with 3rd pair.
So on the turn, I probably would’ve gotten a call if I made it 125. It’s possible he thought I was weak with such a small raise?
08/13/2018 at 5:45 am #3159
Mark BrementParticipantMy first comment on this site: villain overplayed his two-pair. Perhaps as you have history with him, he has moved you off hands in the past. (?)
08/13/2018 at 10:23 am #3160
HanParticipantHi Mark. When I think back to the hands I have been involved with villain, which are very few, he does bet pretty big into me. However, I usually whiff the board when just fold on the flop or turn. It’s an easy fold for me, but he may think he got me off a hand. Ofcoarse I’ll never know what he has. He has been at the table with me, when I lose big hands though. I made some big mistakes in those hands. He may have considered my playing history.
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