$1-3 – No Bluffing in Side Pots

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  • #3226
    Han
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    I have another hand from last nights session. Main villain in this hand is a regular, and from what I am learning now, is a very deceptive-bad player. He uses table talk to confuse opponents, but I learned from watching others, that if you play good sound poker, you can win pots from him.

    Second villain in this hand, had no idea what he was doing, and was a person of interest at the table. He had just spewed off nearly all his chips in the hand before this, which create a weird side pot situation.

    Hero stack: 260
    Hero hand: AKo
    Hero position: UTG

    Villain stack: 300
    Villain hand: AKo
    Villain position: BB

    Fishy stack: 28
    Fishy hand: J8c
    Fishy position: MP

    Preflop:
    Hero opens to 15, Fishy shoves for 28, villain calls, hero calls

    Pot: 84
    Flop: 7 7 5 r
    Villain dark-checks, hero checks

    Turn: Kh
    Villain checks, hero bets 25, villain raise to 105, hero-tank shoves, v1 calls

    I now made a metal note that this villain will check top-top. I think my small bet into the dry side-pot was too small and induced his raise. I thought about what hands he could be holding that would check-raise so large. Its a side pot, so it’s not likely he is bluffing here. I have blockers to AA and KK so I discounted those hands from him. 55 is the only hand that makes sense here, but I think he would bet instead of check-raising. I checked how much I would have left after calling, and opted to shove. If he had trips, then he had trips.

    #3228
    John S
    Participant

    Pretty standard hand. My only question is why no 4-bet pre? A lot of people get confused as to when you can and can’t reraise. Here, you raised $12 ($15 bet – $3 bb = $12), and V2 raised $13 ($28 3bet – $15 2bet = $13). This re-opens the action, so to speak. This is the rule at a lot of casinos and you should know when you can and can’t reraise.

    When V1 flats in the BB, you should be well ahead of his range. I think you want to attack this villain. He could have a lot of middling pairs or suited connectors here that you want to fold out. I probably make it an even $100 just to put pressure and try to take this heads up.

    Granted, in this scenario, I don’t think it changes anything. Villain calls pre, probably checks flop, then it all gets in on the turn.

    #3231
    Han
    Participant

    I didn’t 4bet, because I’m a fish. I get confused to the rules about reopening the betting. I asked the floor here as soon as I saw your post (yes I’m playing right now) and he confirmed your description.

    So yea, I’m a raising fish!

    #3233
    John S
    Participant

    You’re not a fish. That’s a subtle rule that a lot of people misunderstand.

    Quick story – one of my first 3/5 games I raise AK to $25 over 1 limp from MP. The next two players call, and one of the blinds jams for $48. A lot of players think this isn’t a full raise since it’s not double, but in reality, I raised $20 and he raised $23, so action was open. I knew the two players to my left were weak, so I grabbed a stack of green and raised to something like $250 or $300. Basically, I’m telling those two players to get out of the pot – you’re way behind. They folded, but one of them would have flopped a flush and I would have flopped top pair. I ended up scooping a decent pot because I raised, rather than losing had I just flatted.

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