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Playing 1/2 at Harrahs north Kansas city, I’m up about $330 after buying in for $200. It’s mid day on a Thursday lot of regs, not a lot of super advanced play but no one was getting too crazy/out of line either.
PRE FLOP:
I ($530 eff.) get 10s10c in the sb with a straddle to $4 on the btn. Decide to raise it up to $20,bb ($450), mp ($530), mp2 ($300), and the straddler/btn ($175) ALL decide to come along.
FLOP:A♥️8♣️K♣️
I check, bb ck, mp bets $50 exactly half pot, mp2 folds, btn folds. I think for a minute decide he doesn’t have AK only because he didn’t 3 bet pre, and he is a fairly aggressive, semi loose player. I have played 5-6 small pots up to this point with him and won with top pair twice, two pair twice and lost to him when we both had top pair and he had me out kicked. I decide on a call, trying not to be too nitty and if the turn is not my 10 I will be folding. Bb folds so we’re heads up.
TURN: 10♥️
I check, mp bets $125, I raise to $300, he calls.
After raising to $300 I have $150 behind which I’m planing to put in on the river no matter what since the pot is now $800.
RIVER: K♦️
I go all in for $150, mp tanks so I know at that point we’re good. He eventually calls, I say tens full flip over my cards he says we’re good and shows us A♣️9♣️.
Glad to rake a $1,100 pot in a 1/2 game, but I wanted to put this hand on here to see what everyone thought about how I played it. Thanks for any input whether it’s that I played it right or wrong.Joe,
As submitted I’ll give an input, but some details are missing about the players.
First I believe this is a fold preflop. You’re OOP and the straddle/btn has taken your preflop position away. You’re running the risk of playing your 10’s multiway and getting a cascade of over-callers ( as a 1/2 game is prone to) does the straddler like to 3 bet? ( as most straddlers do),this could’ve had you in a bad spot. One of Your targets is btn/straddler and IMO his stack is a little small to set mine against.
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As played Hero fires $20, I’d like to fire $30 using the 15-20x’s rule when set mining and targeting your villain with the equal stack. If you’re kicking open the saloon doors at O.K Corral and have 8 guns pointing back at you, you might want a 357 Mag not the .22 you just pulled out. But we’re here lets see how fast our trigger finger is, Drum roll , The flop .. and,, puke … saggy violin sound the gun deflates, “check” .. a little light at the end of tunnel, villain that has the proper stacks for your set mine has fired $50,( 1/10 of our stack) we’re here let’s peel one, you got you’re heads up, with the right villain, that’s fine (or is iT…)
So we’re wanting a 10 ( we have the 10c bonus) BUT the 10 makes a lot of draws and improves a lot of draws. MP over calling pre with A,x,clubs says to me he could have a lot of hands here. QJc, J9c,K8s,K10s,67c,on and on, I wouldn’t have excluded AKo.
Turn you get gin plus villain is firing ($125) you fire back ($300) with $125 behind….. at this point the board is very wet, this is a Jam. As you say you’ve committed yourself to the fight, what is $125 ( into 800) going to do on the river that it wouldn’t do on the turn. Personally if I’ve gotten to the turn and my Gin card hits plus I’m OOP and the board is this wet, this is an open JAM. Did you want a fold when min raising the turn or a call?
The poker God’s had the spot light on you with the right villain. I think a lot could’ve gone wrong here,
Hope you enjoy the feed back, I’m no pro just a grinder and enjoy talking poker and reading all these posts.Gotta disagree Jnuts. When you’re set-mining, you don’t mind having two or three callers. Gives you better equity for when you do hit. You have to raise here. If you’re not raising TT, how tight is your range?
As played, don’t mind the sizing. On the flop, I either lead or fold to a bet. This flop hits our range really well, so betting makes sense. But once we check, what are we representing when we call? Either a flopped a set and are trapping or we completely missed. With an A and a K on board (and a flush draw) and 3 callers, we are behind at least 99% of the time. Someone has an A or a K, so we are drawing to 2 outs. Glad it worked out for you, but I think that calling that $50 on the turn is just lighting it on fire long-run.
Nice post, Joe. Those responses have a lot I agree with as well.
Pre-flop, I agree that if you are playing at a loose table ( straddles suggest this), I would raise more to thin the field. I don’t agree with the talk of set mining with tens. I think they are strong enough to play on their own strength – ideally against 1 or 2 opponents.
Your attitude to play on the flop really struck me. I understand the check here, being out of position against 3 players who all paid to see the flop. But this range really connects with your raising range a lot harder than it does with their calling range. Plus you have backdoor flush and straight outs. So 10s could be in your cbet bluff range, while weak aces and kings might check.
But you checked. Your comment of calling the flop bet with the intention of folding if the turn is not a 10 is where you start burning money i think. You are getting 3:1 with a plan to fold to 95% off turns. On some of those 5% that you make your set your opponent makes broadway. So i think you would get a lot of value by working through the range if hands you might have here and once you put 10s into a calling range determine what non 10 turn cards you continue with. Any club adds a flush draw, any j or q adds a gutshot, any k for a scare card to an Ace. If you can figure out a better range when calling I think you will get better value when you do call here. If you can’t figure a wider calling range then I think you should check fold on this flop, because long term you’ll be losing money here.
That’s my feedback. Congrats on the double up. And thanks for sharing your hand. Cheers Paul
Thanks guys, Jnuts I don’t think I can ever fold this pre flop. Seems way too tight and even though I have to play the rest of the hand out of position if I can make a good hand it should be well disguised. Part of my reason for the check on the flop was to pot control. I didn’t want to lead out for $50, or $75 get raised to $150-200 (as John said with 4 callers pre flop I’m behind right now 99% of the time) and be put in a really tough spot. The way I saw it was if I’m going to try to continue after the flop and make my hand on the turn better to try to get there at reasonable price. When I raised to $300 on the turn I thought my opponent would probably call the $300 but might not call the $450 and felt I was almost certainly ahead. I did realize the 10♥️ isn’t the most amazing card if he had QJ, I would be in very serious trouble. With that being said the only combo of QJ I was putting him on was QJ♣️. Why? Because he bet out on the flop, and I had called him down and seen him get called down by others in hands and had not seen him lead out on any boards with draws. He had called with draws but not led out, however if he was going to lead with a draw QJ♣️ might be the one strong enough to do it on this board. Also while I’m thinking about it, the straddle player straddled every time around on his button and his raise frequency was only about 1 in 5. Anyway I really appreciate you all taking the time to respond and giving me different perspective. Thanks and good luck at the tables everyone.
And this is why I really enjoy the forum , Perspectives. I agree , those responses I have a lot to agree with also. And yes thinking about it again , I wouldn’t fold the 10s but definitely think opening with $30++ to get heads up or 3 way at most. Getting heads up or 3 way to flop, Cbet , makes a nice line, but I think you’re still getting calls on that flop, then the 10 on the turn,,, Rip It.
But what I’m seeing here, reading the forum responses tells me 10s are definitely not an easy hand any way you look at, and apparently they are played various ways. Fantastic !!THANKS for posting this great hand !!
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