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Hey everyone. I’ll just get straight into the hand I’m looking for some feedback on: what do you think of my sizing throughout the hand? Tell me if you would’ve played the hand the same or if you would’ve done anything differently and why.
STACK SIZES
$480 (Hero-me): not super deep, but still 240 bigs — so deeper than usual for this $1/$2 game
apx. $700 Villain 2 covers (MAIN VILLAIN)
apx. $100 Villain 1A little history on main villain: I had been playing with him for roughly 5 hours and seen him bet/raise with complete air and make to showdown with no piece of anything. I estimate he was playing roughly 50%+ of hands. He’d call a PFR with almost any two. But at the same time he seemed to be doing so in a smart way. Despite seeing too many hands and calling any two pre, he seemed to be a solid reg. in the aspect that he was doing this usually in-position against weaker players, in which he’d end up floating flop, or turn in order to just steal the pot away from them on the river.
Ok – now for the hand.
Me: SB with 7c8c
V1: UTG
V2: UTG +1 (MAIN VILLAIN)UTG straddle to $5, UTG+1 (Villain 2) Calls, HJ Calls, folds to me and I make the call, BB folds.
Flop: (pot is $22)
4d 4c 6hI check, UTG bets $10, UTG+1 min raises to $20,
I put in the 3bet to $75.
My thinking is: with a gutshot, two overs to the board, and backdoor flush possibility this is a good spot to try and just take the pot now, and I can continue to fire the turn on any 7, any 8, any 5, any club. I also figure I would typically have more 4x in my range here than he does, but then again on hindsight maybe not given that he calls almost any two cards preflop.UTG: snap folds
UTG+1: thinks on it for 60 seconds or so, and makes the call
Turn comes 7h giving me a pair and brings the backdoor flush draw – so the board is now:
(pot is $182)
4d 4c 6h 7hI bet $130 (just over 70% pot)
Villain goes into the tank for a couple mins, then makes the callRiver (pot is $442): Tc
4d 4c 6h 7h TcI move All-In for $270 (apx. 60% pot)
Villain tanks for a long while (6min or so) and makes the call.
I table my hand, and he shows Th5hI think everything you said is fine and makes sense. I just disagree with you on one key thing.
This isn’t so much a bluff as it is going for thin value. Essentially you are trying to get called by a 6. Anything less he can’t call, and anything better you’re beat and he’s not folding.
And I would advice against bluffing a lot in 1/2, and especially against bluffing against this player. You don’t make money by bluffing the guys playing every hand. You make money on them by making good hands and getting them to bluff/call off. This guy called a check-3bet with T5hh on a 446 board with one heart. That’s a terrible play. You’re not going to make money off of this guy by bluffing.
John S makes some good points here.
I guess my reaction is this: I don’t love you play on the flop. You check and both opponents show interest in the pot. You only have mediocre pot equity. You have terrible position. You could be drawing thin if one of your opponents has a 4 (and we have a straddle who chooses not to raise and a player who is playing any two cards… so each opponents range includes hands with 4’s). You could be drawing thin if an opponent slow played any pair 9’s or higher. I am a fairly conservative player to be clear, but I am working on my bluff game…. and I would generally like better equity and a better position. Draws to a pair of sevens or a pair of eights seem a bit weak (sure, they add some value but not enough to fade some of the negatives here in my opinion).
All that stated, I do admire the @#$& (crass word for courage) it took to fire the last two bets. Had your opponent not gotten incredibly lucky on the river, you would have won a very nice pot. That he tanked twice tells me you put him to the test and almost pulled off a great bluff. As noted previously, it was also a dangerous spot to choose this move.
I think there is a solid argument for a check on the river, as there aren’t a lot of hands that you beat that will pay you off. If you get called here, you are usuallly beat.
Thanks for sharing this hand.
Hi,
I really like your flop raise. Very impressive. But I think when you drill the 7 on the turn its ok to realize your equity and take the free card. And then go into trapping mode on the river against his missed draws. Really what are you hoping to accomplish with your turn bet? He not folding a 4 or better. Making this bet to fold out draws inflates the pot unnecessarily and sets you up for some tricky river situation… So I would check turn and go into call down mode on the river.
Hope this helps 🙂
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