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Commerce Casino, Los Angeles, California. Table 27, 5-5 PLO w/ a rock (buy-in 500-1500), I’m in middle position about UTG+2 from the rock. Two call in front of me. I just stacked off and lost, I’m slightly on tilt and am waiting for a chip runner to turn 15 friendly looking Benjamins into chippies. I glance down at AATT double suited hearts and diamonds. POT! Two people call the $50 open and we are off to a flop, I’m last to act for the rest of the round.
I’m still waiting for chips and I see a dream flop:
T83, with the 8 & 3 of hearts. GIN! Top set, nut flush draw. My day is already looking better.
To my delight, first action leads out for pot! Second player calls, here is my first question: Top set on the board and nut flush draw with nothing better than an open ended straight draw as a possible hand that beats the top set (if it hits) and 2 of the 8 outs are discounted because the heart version would give me a flush. So best case scenario for an opponent is OESD with 6 total outs plus undersets with 1 out each to quads. By my calculations, that is 64% equity in the hand with the left over 36% split between the two opponents, as a worst case scenario. Call, raise less than pot or re-pot?
Based on the title you might have guessed I chose to re-pot. I slip the other 4 benjamins into the pot (still waiting for chips, and had 1 in for the $50 pre) and to my shock and surprise, the first player shoves all in for less and the second players calls (he has me covered).
The table is getting kinda irritated because this is turning into a major pot and I still don’t have chips so they make a stink about it, finally get a runner and the game is kinda paused for a moment as some players finally volunteer to exchange chips for dollars and what not and everything gets rightened up. I can’t really complain, there is a side pot, this a huge 3 way pot, and a lot for the dealer to track.
My plan is to shove pretty much any turn unless it completes and obvious straight draw like a 9, J, or 7. Finally all chips are in place and we see the turn:
Some brick card. 2 or 4 or 5 or something that doesn’t reach straight completion territory with the 8 and 10. Also not a heart or board pair. Second question: check back or jam? I still have the nuts on this 4 card board and a redraw to better nuts two ways (boat/quads & flush). Opponents still have the same outs, plus one extra one-outter should they have hit a set on the turn.
Villain who still has chips checks and I shove as planned. With only one card coming I’m now 82% and feel fairly confident. He asks if I want to run it twice. I have subscribed to Limon’s Run It Twice Bible and if someone asks, the answer is “Whatever you’d like to do is fine” which I am okay with. Obviously, its not like they are for sure drawing dead. 82% is solid, but I’m ok to take two shots. If they hit a straight or quads on one, I might still hold up or improve on the other. Pretty difficult to lose two in this situation.
Naturally, of course, that is what occurs. His open ended straight draw hits the low end on run out 1 and the high end on run out 2. He scooped (the all in for less guy had an underset) and looked surprisingly guilty for about an hour, like he knew exactly how lucky / suck outty he had gotten. Made me want to rip my hair out (on the inside). I don’t fault him as a bad play or anything, the straight draw came from his danglers — he had the other two aces as well, and that was a fairly safe board for aces at the turn.
So final question — is this just a tough beat, too bad next hand — or is this not a hand I should not have pushed so hard for value?
I’d appreciate any thoughts as to how you might have played this type of hand and situation. Obviously, I do tend to play top sets and three-pairs very aggressively, especially when I also have a draw to a strong or nutted 5 card hand and obviously, I don’t mind getting the chips (or bills) into the middle.
I don’t think anyone would ever say it’s a mistake to get the money in with the nuts with backup nut draws….especially if you get called. However…and this is being results oriented, you might be able to make a case for playing a little slower especially since its a multiway pot. The problem that you get into is that after you pot on the flop and get called, the SPR is so low villain should call on most run outs. He IS under-repped after all (limp called with AA56 or AA46). Just imagine from his perspective, if you had AQQJ nut hearts…your pot on the flop would be a reasonable play (gutter, over pair, NFD). If he ever folded on the blank turn it is disaster for him. So, if he can put some of those hands in your range, he should never fold. I think the only way this hand might possibly have been played differently is if you did call on the flop, the pot becomes $600ish, maybe the original bettor has enough for one last pot on the turn and it now becomes a bad call for villain with AAxx. Even though he turned a SD, he has to think his heart outs are bad and with you behind, he folds. Obviously, this is super nitpicking and totally results oriented. Any day and every day I would rip it in like you did if I knew I was getting called and be $1500 poorer 5 minutes later.
No question you played it right in that spot. Short of hitting quads or a made flush with a redraw to a boat/quads, this board is about as good an equity position as you’re gonna find. Getting your money in as a 4-to-1 favorite is pretty much never a mistake.
Ok thanks for the validation. I felt it was a correct spot, but I’m willing to think about things differently if an argument is presented.
But of course I know tough beats are just part of the game, so on to the next hand. 🙂 CHIPS! Table 27!
Actually with such a nutted hand, I wouldn’t have played it as aggressive. I would try to trap more with less than pot size bet on the turn. Regardless you played it fine and just got unlucky.
Any time you can get it in with the nuts, nut redraws and a 4 to 1 favorite, you are doing good.
Especially on the turn where the pot is so big, I don’t think there are very many hands the villain would ever fold here after all the flop action. I don’t see much value in slowing down really at any point this hand. Its not like the money wont be going in on the river, right? If anything only bad things can happen if you slow down. If you hit your flush you lose your action right? I think the hand went perfectly besides the run out of course. Just a cooler, but you should feel good about your play (IMHO).
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