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Just started a session don’t know much about any of my opponents as this is like the 4th hand in. I look down in the BB to 93 offsuit, in a limped pot with 5 opponents. Flop comes 934 rainbow, and I check it. It checks around to the cutoff who bets $10, I call, and it folds back to the utg + 3 player who decided to check raise to $40. This may be my first mistake of the hand, as I decide to just call instead of re-raise. One reason for this is b/c I’m actually thinking that I might be beat in this case with the opponent having a hand like 44, which would make sense. It’s just kind of hard to put my opponent on a bluff here, outside of maybe 56 for an open ended straight, or a gutshot straight semi-bluff. So instead of re-raising I decide to see how things unfold on the turn and river. The only other possibility of him having really, other than a monster a bluff, is like an A9 raising for protection, or a weird limped jj or something like that. Anyway, the turn comes with a 10, and I check and deliberates for a while and hesitantly checks. At this point, I’m very confident he was up to no good on the flop, and either has air or not a very strong hand 1 pair at best, as 44 would almost always bet something there, plus my live tell of weakness. River brings a 6, which I’m really not that concerned with. Not my favorite card, but I was mostly afraid of a 7 or 2 hitting, which completes the most obvious open ended straight draw.
I bet $50 to try and extract value from a hand like a9 or k9 which seemed to be one of his more likely holdings. He comes over the top for $100 more in a show of strength, that had me scratching my head big time. I had a really hard time putting him on any bluffs (A2 or A5 maybe, or 56 that turns a pair into a bluff, or maybe just some random recreational player bluff spazz, you know ‘I’m going to bluff him here’, kind of a bluff). Because it was so hard to put him on a bluff, I almost folded. However, I also had a hard time putting him on any value that made a lot of sense, outside of 57 (at the time I didn’t even realize that 52 was possible, didn’t see that). And 57 didn’t make a lot of sense to me either, as he’s making a pretty big play with just a gutshot on the flop. Anyway, I ended up calling, due to the fact that I was getting 3:1, and neither the bluffs nor the value made a lot of sense. Perhaps I should have check/called the river just in case he had 57 or 25, if I didn’t think I could fold to a re-raise. I guess thinking about now, the big thing I learned is not to downplay the possibility of the player have a gutshot raise on the flop, as that’s exactly what he ended up having. Perhaps I should fold the river? Or perhaps reraise the flop? Thanks for the feedback guys!
Jameson,
I see a lot of players get in with hands like 5-7 suited looking to make an unlikely hand and take top pair to the cleaners. The biggest red flag was that it was a limped pot.There was already a limper or two in front of this guy and he took a chance with a fairly reasonable hand. With limped pots, peoples ranges can be amazingly wide. With big bets on the river (in limped pots), expect to see the otherwise unlikely two pair or gut shot that got there.
Hey man. This is part cooler and part plain bad luck. I think you played the hand fine. By just flatting the flop you got someone to raise with a hand that was drawing very slim. If we knew exactly what he had we wouldn’t want to re-raise him. We’d just flat hoping that he’d continue bluffing the turn. Unfortunately he ended up getting there.
The river is the only street I think we could’ve played better. It’s unlikely that this player will have an overpair since he’s the second player to limp in. I’d be a lot more inclined to believe he has an overpair when he’s the first limper. If you check, I imagine he’d be betting for value anyway. Like you said, betting could get some value from a hand like A9 or K9 so that’s good. The most likely scenario though is that he was bluffing on the flop. You said once he checked back you felt very confident he was weak/bluffing. Betting the river when you suspect your opponent is weak, especially half pot or more, is not going to accomplish much. Some of the hands that he might bluff with like open enders or gut shots will have gotten there while the other hands he’s bluffing with will not be able to call a bet. It’s better to check hoping to induce a bluff while limiting the damage for the times that he does get lucky and make the straight.
As played, it’s hard to fault you for calling the river raise since he’s only repping the straight and absolutely nothing else. He wouldn’t play any two pair hand that way and he would never play a set that way. The problem is that people rarely bluff rivers in smaller games with big bets and when he checks back turn it becomes a lot more likely that he has some kind of straight draw. For these reasons I lean towards folding.
I certainly wouldn’t feel bad about this hand. I hope you have better luck next time.
Thanks man, I appreciate the feedback. My main concern when I take a pretty big loss in a session isn’t so much losing the money, what gets to me is the possibility of playing the hand in a less than optimal fashion. The reason being is that one is variance, and that will work itself out, and the other is potential leaks, and that will have a long term negative impact on my bankroll. When I take a hit like this, I try to get back as much value as possible by analyzing the hand for potential leaks or mistakes, so I never make the same mistake again. It’s a good learning experience for me, and I don’t feel too bad about how I played it. Probably just like you said, my river play was a little questionable! Even though 57 seemed unlikely, it was the only thing that really fit the story. Oh well, we’ll get em next time.
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