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This hand still haunts me. I’m curious to get feedback and how I should have played it.
A little background before the hand… two important facts about the main event:
1) No decent player risks their stack on day 1 without the nuts
2) Half the field gets knocked out when their Kings run into Aces. All I hear at the cash table is day 1 stories of Kings running into aces. It happens a lot.In the 5 main events I’ve played (1 cash), I’ve actually folded Kings twice… both times correct against aces. One time was very obvious and another time it was just a good read and instinctive read. I’ve also been knocked out twice when my Kings ran into Aces. So it I know how often it happens. Now on to the hand:
Table has been active – plenty of 3-betting
Blinds 200-400. I’m in the BB. About 20 minutes left in the level.
Early position solid player limps
Middle position loose player raises to 1200.
Middle position aggressive player raises to 3000.
Snug quiet player on the button raises to 7000.
I look down and find KK. Starting chips are 50K and I have 42K. I’ve been relatively card dead so my image is pretty tight but solid.
Whats my play?I feel if I raise to 20K, and he shoves… I’ve just lost half my chips. If I just call and I don’t flop the set, whether he has Queens or suited AK, he’s likely going to c-bet and I still wont have any further information. Its level 4 Day 1 and this hand is about to play very big. I think its likely he has Aces, but I’m not sure he doesn’t make the same bet with Queens. He’s been pretty snug and we haven’t seen many hands from him. How do I position this hand so that I don’t get crippled by Aces, but still find if I have the best hand? I feel like I’m not going to get an answer without half my chips committed.
End Result: I just saw so much liability in this hand, I folded. Painfully. Guy next to me reads Aces. Raiser said he had A-K. The problem is that the guy next to me said he folded K-5, and early limper said he had K-Q. Which means he didn’t have A-K. I lived another day and finished the day with 51K in chips. Clearly I think fold was the wrong play, but not sure how I could have found out where I was without putting so much at risk. Is the simple answer That I should have raised to $20K and fold if he shoves? Bite the bullet and try to rebuild with 22k left (30x BB at the next level). ?????
I know stakes shouldn’t matter, but they absolutely do. This is the 10k main event, right? That’s a little different from a $150 daily tournament. Busting out of this early has got to hurt more.
In a small tournament, this is a mandatory raise/get it in, and if you’re up against AA then so be it. At the WSOP ME, it’s a little different. Busting this early, against a 4-bet from a tight player, is tough to swallow. No idea what I would do in that position, I know I wouldn’t be happy with any option as an amateur.
Obviously one of them was lying (or maybe all of them), so I wouldn’t necessarily ignore the fact that villain could have had AK. Limper 1 could have had QJ so AK is possible. Of course, it does make sense for the 4-bettor to lie and say he had a weaker hand to attempt to get called later.
Well, makes me feel a little better that you look at the situation and have the same feelings. I literally did not know what to do and found folding a way to just move on and forget it. I did believe that the other two players, as I was pretty chummy with the guy next to me, chatting about hands from the start. Other limper was a straight shooter and they both volunteered without knowing I had kings.
There’s no question I’m shoving in any tournament under a $1500 buy in. And although you don’t want to make it about stakes… its not as much about dropping the buy in… that’s relative and I’ve played enough Main Events to be not think about the buy in. Its more about waiting all year to play the main, and then facing elimination only 4 levels in.
The raiser wasn’t very believable. He might have even had Jacks or 10’s.
I had have a friend who is a pro and she told me there’s a 99% chance that if she has Kings pre-flop, that she’s losing all her chips if they have aces.
What would Brad do. I feel like he would have raised to $22k and if the raiser had aces, would have shoved it there, otherwise you have to think you’re good. And then he would have rebuilt with $20k. I think that’s probably the right play and 30x blinds is still enough to easily climb back. But its a horrible feeling being cut in half, particularly as a rec player in the main. Also, given I was so card dead, I hadn’t really developed a good rhythm. My reads were still not on full confidence yet.
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