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Just looking for another take on a specific hand (I know now that I played badly, but looking for a second opinion).
So I wake up with black AA’s on the button. UTG+1 raises to $20 and folds around to the cut-off who calls. I decide to flat on the button (questionable play?). Flop comes out 8d5c2d. UTG+1 bets $35, the cut-off flats, and then I flat the button. Turn comes 9h and UTG+1 checks, cut-off checks, and I bet out $75. UTG+1 re-raises to $175, cut-off hesitantly folds, and I go in the tank. UTG+1 has an effective stack of about $630, which covers my stack of about $580. I end up deciding to shove all-in with the hope of getting a smaller pair to call off or to push off a drawing hand. UTG+1 snaps and says he has the nuts (pocket 99s). River peels a Kh and he takes it with a set of 99s. I definitely slow played myself into a bad situation by allowing UTG+1 to catch his 2 outer. My mistake I feel was not reading the situation and over-shoving my stack with a 1-pair hand on the turn into a re-raise. Any thoughts on the play or what could have been done differently?
I’m a rec player so be honest/easy on me. 🙂
Pre-flop 3-bet range is pretty wide on the button, so I would definitely be 3-betting with AA. As a comparison, if you had AA in the SB, your range is pretty tight, let’s say QQ+… nonetheless, if you don’t 3-bet AA on the button, what WOULD you 3-bet with? Benefits of a 3-bet is that you narrow the openers range. If he 4-bets you then you know he’s QQ+, maybe even KK+ as he’ll be doing this out of position. Added benefit is that the button 3-bet can look like a squeeze, especially if you have more than one caller before the button.
Post-flop, I would be check-raising this open for 100% as you have seriously under-represented your hand strength. You want to start building that pot ASAP.
Tough one on the turn shove, as you have no idea where he is and as you surely felt, “I’m in a tough spot here”.
If you had 3-bet to $80 pre-flop you MAY get one caller, and be heads up to a flop of 8d5c2d ($180). If you c-bet $120 you likely take it down right there.
Having said all of this, there are spots where flatting AA is fine. when you flat AA pre-flop, you absolutely need to check-raise the flop. Now if he 3-bets you on 8d5c2d (flopped set), then I think you can find a fold perhaps.
Lastly, think about what you will do with different board textures post-flop. Nobodies perfect so don’t beat yourself up. I myself am still tilting from a recent hand where I dumped my stack without thinking it through.
Just my $0.02…
Have fun!
Thanks for the feedback and viewpoint on the hand Matt. I definitely agree looking back that I should have re-raised the button like you said. Always a learning process. Cheers!
The 9s may not find a fold to a 3bet depending on the player and if he isn’t folding the 3 bet open then is he likely to fold post flop with the over pair to the board? Also, being on the button the 9s may think you are raising from position and be more inclined to call with the pair.
That being said I think you should ALWAYS be 3 betting with AA in any position (there are some isolated situations where a flat is ok but…..) and building a pot for the best hand. You got hit by a 2 outer in this scenario and take some comfort in knowing that the 9s may have called the 3 bet anyways and being an over pair to the board would likely have called your post flop bet as well. Sucks for sure but if AA won every time it wouldn’t be poker!
I think that is a clear 3bet in this spot ,maybe you should flat some % of the time for balance for deception or to put a trap for the sb and the bb ,but in this spot a open from utg+1 to 20 and a flat in cutoff ,and with that stack depths you should 3b always i think around 85 to 105,but thats my opinion .On the flop i think you should be raising .but thats my opinion .On the turn i like the bet but after the original raiser check raises 3way with that line and that size he is showing a lot of strength ,so i think a call will be better with the line you took.thats my opinion .Gl all at the tables.
Unlucky man. With two players in the hand you almost always have to 3-bet. I think you would’ve lost less had you 3bet pre. Pocket 9s is calling and prolly pealing the flop as they flopped a higher pair to the board as well.
The shove is unnecessary. You’re getting called by KK and maybe QQ. Draws are folding because it’s a massive shove. You’re getting called by straights and sets.
I’ve made the same mistake many times and I think that fast playing high pocket pairs is the way to go.
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