2/5 overpair vs set

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  • #1600
    Dave Thompson
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    2/5 at Moose Lodge in Noblesville, IN (seriously – poker in central Indiana is weird 😉)
    Mine is the effective stack at $520
    UTG+2 opens to $15; HJ and BTN both call
    I 3-bet to $60 from SB with KsKd (should this 3-bet have been bigger?)
    BB folds; UTG+2, HJ and BTN all call
    Flop is Qd8d3c
    I bet $200 into $245 (too much? Is checking for pot control a better option?)
    UTG+2 snap-shoves for my remaining $260
    UTG+2 is fairly new to the table, and I’m new to this location, so I don’t know much about him; the table in general has been quite active
    HJ and BTN fold; I tank and call; he shows 8s8h for a flopped set which holds up
    If I give him only sets in his range, I’m clearly not getting the right odds to call. But if he has any flush draws (e.g. AJdd, ATdd, JTdd) I have the 30+% equity I need (pot laying me ~3.5:1). Is that wishful thinking or was it okay to call the shove here?
    Cheers

    #1603
    Steven Young
    Participant

    Your 3b preflop was too small with 3 people in the pot. 80+ seems better there, maybe even more because you are out of position.
    Your bet on the flop is basically all in. Anyone who calls is mostly going to call the rest off later due to your stack in relation to the pot. You wouldn’t even have a half pot better going foward. Check calling seems better, like you said, for pot control. Hard to put him on a set exactly though not knowing anything about the player

    #1608
    Curt Baht
    Participant

    I agree with Steven. Preflop needs to be closer to 90 in this spot. Your looking to play heads up against a lower pair or AK. If he shoves on your flop bet then it may be easier to put him on the set and get away from it.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 2 months ago by Curt Baht.
    #1627
    Chuck M
    Participant

    I agree with the others about a bigger 3B pf (oop and a few limpers).

    On the flop, I tend to bet around halfpot in 3bet pots, I would’ve cbet something between 125-150 (into that $245 pot). I think we got value to get here vs Qx, fd, gutshots (or combo draws) JT, J9, T9 (those hands might get folded pf though)… we can assume that AA would most likely 4bet pf, QQ may call, if we get raised on the flop, I guess it looks like a set (or a loosely played Q8).

    Maybe (depends on history with villain(s)) maybe he could raise JTdd as a semi-bluff, but i feel there’s not a lot of semi-bluff or bluffs in their ranges (perhaps AXdd… ATs+? Do villains defend A-rag suited in 3b pots?).

    I think that, by default, I would assume their raise on the flop represents value more often than not. Would he raise tptk for value? (Would be a bit overplayed imo, but villain might do so?)
    Beside AQ, I don’t feel we beat many value hands in that spot.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 2 months ago by Chuck M.
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