3 Decisive hands. at the WSOP Circuit $1,675 No-Limit Hold'em Main Event

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  • #2424
    Yazzie
    Participant

    Friday, February 09 WSOP Circuit – POTAWATOMI (Milwaukee) Event #10 A
    Flight A Entrants: 243 Remaining: <128

    Day 1 Level:11 Blinds: 500/1,000 Ante: 100

    This is buy far the biggest tournament I’ve ever played. I was sailing smoothly without any major tough spots at my previous table. Got moved to a very tough table with 3 shorties. A few recognizable faces such as Jonathan Hanner and Andy Philachack. We are unknown to our opponents. Our image is solid, we won two hands since joining this table during the previous level & showed premiums (JJ, KK). I’m punching above my weight and tightening up. I am by far the worst player on the table, so I’m not trying to outplay my opponents or get myself in any tough spots.

    Here’s 3 decisive hands, in order, that I’ve played today during 1 (40 minutes long) level:

    1.
    http://mysmp.me/h_jyX
    2.
    http://mysmp.me/h_jyZ
    3.
    http://mysmp.me/h_jyY

    let me know what you think.

    • This topic was modified 6 years, 10 months ago by Yazzie.
    #2426
    Chuck M
    Participant

    Hey Yazzie, very interesting spots.
    First of all, i don’t often play tournaments, and I usually play 10 times smaller buy-in tourneys 😉
    But i’ll give my 2cents for fun

    Hand 1, I would’ve bet flop but not turn, you got unlucky on the river, but you couldn’t avoid that. I’d bet flop to get value from draws, Ax, broadways, etc. Turn is kind of a scare card imo (i see many KQ combos in villains ranges), but you’re still ahead of 2pair combos, pair+gutshot, maybe it’s still a bet after all, yeah i like the bet ;p

    Hand 2, I would just have folded preflop. I just feel we’re never ahead here. Utg opens, utg1 3bets, i’m out. Maybe I would’ve 3bet shove myself if folded to me, but after an open and a 3bet (especially from early position), I guess we got at best 30% equity (if our 7 is live). And we’re pretty much drawing dead if we’re up against 77+ and A8+
    We got lucky post flop, very nice quadruple up 😀

    Hand 3, A3o in the BB, I really don’t think we have to play that. I know we got a discount on the raise since we’re on the bb, but I wouldn’t feel comfortable playing that hand oop, too weak of a holding (and I think we had 20-25bb at the moment?) Imo we’re too short to call with that, but we still got enough stack to comfortably let go our bb and wait for a better spot. Either that, or 3bet squeeze, but not flat.

    Post : I would’ve check flop as you did. I might have taken the lead on the turn, but c/c is fine too, we disguise the strength of our hand. River, I would have c/c I think. I don’t see much value in the c/r. We only beat A2. Maybe we were trying to rep a busted flush draw turned into a bluff and try to get called by Qx or some mid pp? But I think we most likely do fold weaker holdings. If btn had KK or Qx (maybe even JJ) he might have cbet the flop IP behind 2 checks. If not, he might have taken that line of checking back flop and betting turn, but when called, he might have checked back the river (thin spot for him to vbet imo). And if he bets, he probably goes b/f vs a c/r (maybe, I don’t know him).

    We are surely strong with our trip aces, but I think we won’t get much value from worse, and we won’t get folds from better hands. That’s why I would’ve c/c the river.

    #2427
    Yazzie
    Participant

    Hey Chuck! I appreciate your feedback.

    I’m not posting these hands because I think they’re the models for how to play poker by any means 😀 I post my mistakes because I don’t wanna make them again :D. I’m seeking your feedback man.

    – for hand #1 I basically went for the check/raise & it blew up in my face. When that happens, I’ll lead/call any turn and stack off with grace. For many reasons: Early on in the tournament, size of the pot, and honestly we should be ahead as the preflop raiser should c-bet gutshots a lot (because he’s gonna miss a lot and has to rep on later streets. When preflop raiser checks, it means either A-he has given up B-he has a decent show down value C- he’s trapping which is unlikely because the only hand he can trap with here is AA). Another mistake in this hand was not shoving OR c/shove the river. (I looked left and knew that I would never fold to his short stack ever, but I’m not sure if he’s going to shove, even then will the third guy call an over shove?)

    – Hand #2 is a bit different. I have 11bb and I’m auto shoving any pocket pair, connected or suited ace, suited broadways. Facing an open and a 3-bet though, I’m not sure what to do. We definitely got lucky. Would I shove A10o there? maybe not.

    – Hand #3 is a nightmare. I looked at my cards and saw the Ace first; I’m calling the 1.5bb raise 100% of the time. Against HJ open who has been active, you can make a case for 3-betting. However, when SB calls, we’re just getting an amazing price for our 27bb stack to play a fit or fold strategy. I’m not leading the flop, I can lead the turn, but I elected to check/raise. When HJ led the turn small and SB folded, I decided to flat because there aren’t any bad rivers for us, Chopportunities and filling-up (except spades that doesn’t pair the board) and most of the time we’re way ahead.
    The river is a brick. We’re check/shoving because our opponent is capable of firing with busted flush draws/ good queens because we showed a tendency to hero call rivers/ his sizing is too valuy and that’s almost always a bluff, but he knows that we know that too. Our shove is bluffy to me at least. Tough spot. I would love to hear more opinions about this hand.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 10 months ago by Yazzie.
    #2437
    Saul Herrera
    Participant

    My two cents

    Hand 1: I would have considered raising pre-flop to isolate the all-in. Since the initial raise came from UTG, this might be a little problematic as his range should be strong, but shoving 10’s out of position with 48 bb’s and all the dead money (presuming folds from the villians) is certainly worth considering. As played I like leading with the flopped set given an Ace on board. The rest of the hand just played itself.

    Hand 2: I would have folded to a bet followed by a three bet from UTG and UTG+1. Your range is destroyed by theirs

    Hand 3: I would have called the raise from late position. Just too good a price, especially with the SB in the pot. In my opinion, I check call all three streets. I’m seldom raising all in on any hand (outside of nuts) when I’m only using one card from my dealt cards to make my hand. I think you played the river too strong, it’s only getting called by better imo.

    #2445
    Yazzie
    Participant

    Thanks for your feedback Saul.

    No one likes my A9cc shove. I guess I played bad at the right time.

    #2543
    William Glenney
    Participant

    Hand 1: Overall I like everything you did but would have probably have bet flop. If it were heads up with the 3rd guy all in I like the check but with multiple in the pot I like a bet to try and lose a horse in the race. Not sure if a decent bet gets J10 to fold there or not but possible. Other than that you just got unlucky with the JJ runout….had a similar thing happen to me a few weeks ago at Foxwoods 1-2 NL game….just sucks.

    Hand 2: I go back and forth on this one…..I don’t hate the shove being short stacked but I also don’t love it either with a raise and 3 bet in front….your A itself is probably dominated so you are playing your 9 and clubs only. If you werent short stacked I think this is an insta fold and one of those hands you chuckle about when you see the flop and turn. At the end of the day you quadrupled up and you need these types of hands to survive!

    Hand 3: Price to call in BB was pretty good but I think we need a fold there…that being said I would have called as well mostly to defend my blind. I am probably just checking down the hand the entire way and trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and hope my A is good. The Villain’s A range is far better than yours so even though we block the A its certainly a strong consideration for them to have in play. I don’t like the raise, it only gets a bluff to fold, and next best scenario is an A with a bad kicker gets you a chop.

    Hope this helps! Best of luck on the tables!

    #2642
    Yazzie
    Participant

    @wglenneyv Thank you for sharing your thoughts William.

    I agree with leading the flop in hand 1. I should have a leading range there. I put the A3o hand through solvers; I should be check calling all along. At the time, villain looked he’s in hero call mode and he has many pocket pairs in the spot. i’m beat by better aces, JJs, and 88s. not that I’m defending this logic now, but that was my thinking at the time. I did not play well at all during that tourney.

    Thanks again man.

    #2655
    Scott
    Participant

    I think the consensus on hand one is leading out on the flop would have been the better move, but given that the player called such a large pre-flop bet with a J10o, I doubt he would have folded to more or less any bet at that point.

    Hand #2, I totally agree with getting it all in here with right at 8BB’s. The push fold chart says this is an easy shove all day. It actually says you should be pushing or calling an all in with any A, suited or not. And push fold chart aside, I’d rather go down swinging than die a slow miserable death.

    Hand three, you’ve got 20+BB’s to start the hand, and even though you are getting great odds to call, even if you flop an A, odds are you are behind any other A, except A2, and is A2 really in the pre-flop raisers range? Probably doubtful. This would be a fold and live to see another hand and a better spot to get it all in at.

    Just my thoughts from a rec player that’s trying to study and get better!!!

    #2696
    Yazzie
    Participant

    Hey @hondascott thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    I could have folded A3o pre or check/called turn & river. While in retrospect shoving here is clearly a bad play (because we’re only getting called by better), at the time I found enough reasons to shove.

    Sometimes I find myself making horrendous plays for made up reasons on the spot and all the study and preparation goes out the window. I don’t know why.

    I appreciate your feedback man! Gl

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