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Playing 2-5 NL This is the first hand I played in the session, 3rd dealt to me. Villain in this hand is tight preflop somewhat aggressive: a mid 30s semi-pro whom I have history with. We see each other a lot and we’ve discussed hands before and he knows that I know what I’m doing. The BB is a tight passive an older gentleman with a veteran hat that always buys in for the minimum.
The hand:
>I’m UTG+1 I look down at two black Aces. I open for $16 (the same as the only open that I saw thus far at this table) my stack $1484.
> folds to Villain in HJ he 3-bets to 40$. His stack $1600+
> BB calls $40. His stack $570.
> Action back to me, there’s $102 in the pot which I’m happy to take right now. I decided to 4-bet to $290. Thinking that villain would know that I probably would not be 4-betting light 5 minutes into the session & the BB would have to call 50% of his stack or 5-bet shove which will reopen the bet and I would shove myself. Again, I’m happy to take the dead money preflop and just set the tune/image early on in the session. I have $1210 behind.
> Villain tank calls $290.
> BB Folds. Pot is $620.
> Flop is: 9c 10d Jd.
> I elected to bet after a minute in the tank. I bet $340. not giving a free card to AKdd specifically and charging KK QQ.
> Villain goes all in $1210 effective.
> In the tank, I was thinking if I’m behind, I’m drawing pretty thin and if I’m ahead, there’re so many bad turns and rivers for me. I folded.My plan if I didn’t get jammed on was to shove with any brick turn. Check/fold any K or Q. Check call if a diamond hit the turn. Definitely check/shove with Ad.
Villain asked for $30 to show … which is stupid and already tells me that he had me beat. Then later on he asked me if i had AK.
What do you think?
My main question is: is there ever a flop that you don’t c-bet on or a Check/fold flop when you have AA?
Though spot!
Flop is soaking wet. If you know villain, can you tell what his 3bet range would be here? Could he be 3betting 99-JJ, AXs, T9, J9, JT, QT, QJ… and if so, does he call your 4bet with his whole range? His flop raise is super strong tho, i guess you made a right fold, even if he’s drawing, I suppose he’s got outs.On a side note, I personally think your 4bet sizing is a little bit too big. I think I would’ve made it around 180-200, especially if you wish that BB gets in.
The fact that you got 3 bet and one caller behind is a dream scenario for pocket aces pre-flop. I probably either would’ve smooth called or maybe 4 bet min raised. This allows you to keep control of the hand without blowing it up yet keeping the fishies on the line, then if the board is right post flop you can work on extracting value. On the other hand if the board is wet you can proceed with caution. I would never be content to just steal dead money with the best hand pre-flop ever invented.
The fact that you four bet so big then also bet big to lead out post flop just screams a AK. Those signals gave the pro everything he needed to blow you off the hand. It’s even possible he missed the flop and has nothing more than a pocket pair or worse yet has been bluffing you all along with his position.
Also chances are he knew he could push you around since you were so early in your session and likely wouldn’t want to get felted right out of the chute.
You’ve no blockers to his flush draw. Hard to put him on AK when you hold 2 aces. He could have got out of hand with KQ suited. Would he play 9s 10s or Js this aggressively preflop? Its a bit off to me. You have the pot odds to call. Plus you gain valuable info for future games. If you win/lose, you now know a lot more about him.
Will we get feedback from Brad on this one?
@Chuck I know that my opponent is probably one of the best players in the room. He is capable of anything and his postflop game is sound. However, he pretty much could not raise me with anything that I have beat on the flop – with the exception of KK, QQ with a diamond, but again, he doesn’t know if I have the Ace of diamond or not, so it’s hard for him to pull this play out.
I agree with you that my 4-bet was way too big. I basically tried to rep an AK suited that is gonna call a shove and run it twice, expecting a goofy play from villain or the BB, I know that both of them are thinking players and tight pre. I also was not eager to give the BB a good price to see the flop and outflopping me with his QK, AJ, AQ, AK, or 77-QQ holdings(which is his 3-bet calling range). Having said that, had I 4-bet smaller, I would’ve been able to check/call heads up or c-bet smaller and it would’ve not cost me 30% of my stack. Yet again, what if I checked/called and the turn was the best card in the deck, the Ace of hearts, and face a big bet? then what? I’d be calling to hit one of my 10 outs because I under repped my hand and got lost. Makes sense? It’s just a painful hand.@Cykotic Well, I’m usually the only guy on the table who would 4-bet/fold in cash games, both opponents know that, hence the 4-bet was huge ’cause they’d think that I’m doing that with AQs or AKs. It’s tricky when you know your opponents sometimes. Unless I think that my opponent is gonna make mistakes postflop, I’m always 4-betting with AA because if I don’t, that practically means that I don’t have a 4-betting range. Nonetheless, I might flat the 3-bet heads up in position, but the 3-bet has to be big enough (so my opponent buys that I’m too scared to 4-bet and I’m merely playing position with a marginal hand or somethin’).
I agree with your other points, I have definitely mis-sized my 4-bet. My plan of representing the AK pre backfired on the flop. The flop bet was also questionable because I c-bet on one of the worst flops possible for my hand.
@snack-man you know what, the more I think about it, the more I think that the only hand that makes sense is him having the red aces. Sounds improbable, but possible. Thank you.Couple of thoughts on this hand. I agree its a tough spot.
*You’re putting in 20% of your stack pre and then another 23% with your flop bet. IMO, once you make that flop bet, you cannot fold to a jam. There are too many hands a thinking player might jam here with that you’re ahead: QT, QJ, AQ, AKdd, KK, QQ.
*You talked about your 4 betting ranges. I think in some live games, you can get away with only 4 betting AA, KK but if you’re in regular games against good players you’re going to need to think about some hands you can 4 bet bluff with to balance your range when you 4 bet
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