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08/29/2017 at 11:16 pm #1318Stephen WallsParticipant
I have 6/6 on the button.. guy in cut off raises to 25 pre flop I call and another calls.. we go theee ways to the flop
Flop: 10clubs 6clubs QspadesFirst to acts goes all in with ace king clubs for 325
The cut off rejams for 900 then action turns to me
I tank then call with 925
Turn is a 2diamonds
River is a 10 of spades
I river a full house with 6,6,6,10,10
The other guy shows 10,6 and riveted a bigger full house
Should I have folded a set in the flop?
I couldn’t get away from it
08/30/2017 at 8:30 am #1326markParticipantNo way’ you definitely should call. The button shouldn’t have queens or tens there and his range should be wide. There are too many draws on the board. The short stack can have queens or tens, but you’re now looking at the cutoff’s stack. You’re probably ahead of both and strongly ahead of the cutoff’s range.
08/30/2017 at 9:54 am #1327PatrickParticipantAt a normal game without some kind of strong read on your opponents, I am NEVER folding to the first (EP) all in player. The 2nd all in gives me a little hesitation though. The first guy jams for $325 into a $75 pot. No way is he as strong as top or 2nd set. Feels like a mid strength hand or a semi bluff kind of hand. Never folding to him. He limp called pre, so I am surprised he has AKclubs here, but thats the top of his range. AXclubs, AQ maybe, QT… all in his range. even KJclubs and 89clubs… All hands you should call against. Even QT and AQ I think he would be more likely to check raise jam with assuming he has the best hand. So feels more like a draw to me (which you already confirmed).
The 2nd guy (cut off) though…. more interesting. Again a huge over bet though ($900 over shove into a $325 all in with a pot total of $400). Why would he do this? He could be trying to isolate, worried that you will feel you are getting good odds on a draw? But if he was as strong as QQ or TT (the only hands you should be folding to) usually players will smooth call to try to keep the 3rd player (you) on the hook.
Is the cut off good enough to have figured out the EP range? If he comes to the same conclusion that we did above, his re-jam is telling you a couple things. His hand beats the EP players range, or is getting the odds to draw on it (remember his $900 doesnt go in if you dont call, only $325 to win $400). So what beats EP player range? AA minimum. 2 pair or a set. Big draws (straight plus flush) or nut flush draws (if you assume your AK outs are good also). now we already know EP had AKclubs, but while playing the hand the you and the cut off dont know this. Of all these possibilities, you are only behind TT and QQ. In my experience neither of these are going to re-jam here. Maybe on the turn for value, but on the flop they want you to stay in (or maybe re-jam yourself and they snap call).
Had the C/O only called I think QQ & TT can rest firmly in their range, but with the all in I think it is way less likely. After the jam I was put them on double draw or QT for 2 pair (10-6 for $25 pre? really? lol. guess it was a steal attempt).
Maybe some people will be able to fold here thinking its a set over set situation, but I don’t think I would be able to lay this down the way it was played.
You made the right call. Just because you lost the pot doesnt mean you made a mistake here. If you see this situation 1000 times over your poker life, and call every time, you will be a huge winner.
08/30/2017 at 11:22 pm #1337Stephen WallsParticipantThanks heaps! I couldn’t believe he called pre flop with 10,6 off! I definitely thought this was gonna be a set over set situation but thought if they had a set why would they Jem and rename rather then try hook me.. was a sick hand and your analysis of this is amazing!
08/30/2017 at 11:24 pm #1338Stephen WallsParticipantP.s the guy who jammed ace king on the flop on his draw had done about 5 rebuys prior so he was on tilt. Prob saw his draw then decided to just jam out of frustration
09/25/2017 at 9:36 pm #1552SeanParticipantWell, it sounds like he was the one who opened the pot, and while I’m not a fan of 10-6s here, almost any two cards connected cards are okay to open in the cutoff if the table is right. Bad beat situation here, I would’ve looked at second jammer’s stack with $$ in my eyes as I called off. Screams isolation bet, as if he wants his top pair (in this case two pair) to hold up against draws. Nothing for you to get away from here, you were ahead.
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