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  • #3998
    Hoon
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    Hey guys, new to brads site and never really participated in a poker group or forum before. I’ve normally been the hoody glasses and headphones guy that doesn’t talk to anyone. I have semi regular sessions between work contracts and I’ve been focusing on plugging leaks. Been brutally honest with myself and trying to be very self aware.
    When do u know when to cash out? I’m up a few buyins regularly and yet I cash out seldomly.
    First I targeted my game play.
    Then I targeted my comfort and fatigue.
    Really trying to figure out the piece that I’m missing. I hear cashing out when running good is nitty. And I hear when running good u stay seated. Just seeing if anybody else is or has similar problem. Thank you for reading

    #4001
    fireston
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    Hey Hoon,

    There is no rule that says when you Can cash out. When I started playing live 20 years ago (can’t believe I just wrote 20) I would set a soft goal of when I was leaving, it would be either up 50% of buy in or 4 hours. I stated playing 1-2NL with a 200 buy in so once I hit over 100, I would wait one full blind and leave. I would then evaluate play and plan my next trip to the poker room. Especially in the low limits with players ranges being so “diverse” it can be challenge with hand reading and deciding what hands to play so I pretty much either left up or even. That would be my suggestion, try it for a month and evaluate and see if it works for you.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 9 months ago by fireston.
    #4006
    Hoon
    Participant

    Wow. The response time is awesome on this site. Love it.
    Thanks for the feed back I really appreciate it. I’ve plugged the leak of losing my poker winnings on black jack. And I’m very used to grinding a 2/5 to a few grand. I just get sucked in on huge pots before cash out so often lol.

    Been watching
    Jonathan little
    Daniel negraneu
    Not really huge Polk fan

    And I’m trying to work on my preflop top 3 hands transitioning to flop.

    I expect to lose on correct percentages and equity blah blah. But consistently losing the monster pots is tough.

    example do i really fold AA preflop to a full stack shove?

    I call knowing I have about 50% equity and generally get destroyed lol

    Just wondering if anyone relates to this.

    Does anyone have any insight on automatic shufflers dealing action induced hands preventing likely bad beat jack pots and manipulating flop / draw probability?

    More often than not AA is against KK and AK.

    When the odds of that happening are not high yet it’s beyond common.

    I call KK the sucker hand
    Because it’s always against AA but sucks out.

    #4008
    Robert L
    Participant

    Hey Hoon,

    Welcome to the forum! I personally have a cap of around 3-6 buy ins (depending on stakes) that I’m willing to lose before I walk away, but otherwise I normally play until I’m tired or as long as I was originally going to play rather than when I’m up x%.

    You should never be folding AA preflop except in certain satellite tournament scenarios. It might seem like you’re losing with those big hands more often than not, but over the long term they should be big winners (as long as you’re not folding them pre-flop lol).

    Good luck!

    #4009
    fireston
    Participant

    AA vs a random hand you are 4 to 1 favourite every time. Against one player I will call all day every time. Here’s a cool story from the West Palm Kennel Club of a hand I was involved in earlier this month.

    2/5

    Me: $1500 EP AA Raise $15
    two folds
    Vil1:$700 MP1 ?? Reraise $75
    1 fold
    Vil2:$1000 MP3 Reraises $250
    2fold
    Vil3:$2700 But Calls $250
    Vil4:$2200 SB Calls $250
    Me: Folds
    V1: surprisingly just calls

    I have the best hand preflop but with 2 reraises, and 2 callers behind the reraises, I figure someone also has aces, or my other two aces are dead. Against 4 other random hands, I figure I’m a slight underdog or a massive dog if someone has my hand. Out of position and 4 others to act behind me with what they are all representing, I said “f it” and folded Aces preflop and tell the dealer to keep off to the side of the muck.

    Flop comes 10 J 7 rainbow
    Vil1: All in around $450
    Vil2: All in around $750
    Vil3: All in around $2500
    Vil4: All in around $1900

    They take a few moments to get the pot right, floor comes over and confirms it.
    Pot 1 $2815
    Pot 2 $1200
    Pot 3 $2085

    They all agree to show their hand
    Vil 1: kk
    Vil 2: JJ
    Vil 3: 98s
    Vil 4: 1010

    Turn is 6 and the river is a 2

    Vil 3 took down about a 6100 pot with a straight and would have been higher had I not folded. I yelled over to the Button I folded Aces, and he says “I’ll give you a 100 right now if you show it”, tell the dealer to flip them over and he laughs and throws me a 100 chip.

    #4010
    Robert L
    Participant

    Hey fireston,

    Even if you think someone else has Aces you 2 would still be favorites over the rest of the table, but you would be likely chopping with them so worst case (AAvAAvKKvJJ) it would be a -EV call actually. If you assume 1 villain has QQ+, and another two only have KK+ (which I think is definitely reasonable) then you’re making 200-300BB, and even if you always chop the pot you’re still making around 50-60BB.

    Crazy hand though

    #4011
    fireston
    Participant

    Definitely Spot on there Robert.
    Yeah watching it play out was a bit surreal especially when they flipped their hands over. If it had been one less person in the hand or I had been in a different position I would have gone all in but I just had such an “odd feeling” about the hand, and being in an early position that I didn’t feel comfortable with the call. As know when you play this game long enough, you know the emotions the guy with JJ is feeling, praying for the board to pair. Or 1010 who thinks yes a set and finds out he is losing to an overset. It was about 1200 plus night for me so I was happy plus I got a cool story to share that didn’t cost me money to share it lol.

    #4225
    Michael
    Participant

    My wife has gotten sick of my explaining that ‘I feel that I played really well, but even though I got in good, I’m still down on the night.’ That feels like a Helmuth excuse. It’s like saying, ‘if luck was not a factor, I’d be the greatest poker player ever!’ I certainly don’t mean it that way, but it gets kinda tough to stay positive when you end up even after being up $1k, then loosing in a suck-out kinda way.

    Point is, I feel you. I have what feels like a habit of winning, and then getting beat on some slightly (or massive) rare variance that steals away all the progress. I do lose to better hands, obviously, but those never hit me as hard as the ‘I was so far ahead … what happened?’ kinda gut punch.

    I’m basically flat over my last 20 sessions, and I’m sure I need to learn something to improve, but I feel like most of the time, I’m getting in good …

    You are not alone, my friend. @ajspades

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Michael.
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