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Ok so here’s the hand
https://www.sharemypair.com/smpvideo/embedhand/id/29066/w/600/h/450Now villain seemed very TAG. He also snapped the $140 raise.
I feel like this is probably a hand that I should have continued with, but my main reason for folding was that I didn’t want to face an almost definite allin on the river.
I dunno, any input is appreciated.
Alex,
Was this live or online? I think your fold is fine. I generally want to see proof that a villain can or will make a move before I start calling down. Yes you are ahead of some hands but also crushed by some and vulnerable against others. We bet flop and turn to get value out of worse Qx hands but now that he raised us I don’t mind getting away until we have further evidence of him getting out of line.
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The main problem I see is sizing, if you bet 2/3pot on flop and same on turn then it’s very reasonable to b/fold turn. However, given your small sizing you might encourage villain to raise turn with worse hands/draws.
I have noticed that a lot of live players in low stakes poker games (i.e., 1/3 or 2/5) love to gamble and the only strategy that works for them is the betting strategy. For example, if they notice that either your bet sizing is small or when they make two pair, they will bump up their bet sizing to 10x or larger, thinking that they got a “monster hand”. This comes from my experience playing at a southern California casino, where a very LAG player claimed two pair to be a monster hand on the flop, rather than calling the CBet to get more value out of his hand on the turn and the river. Bet sizing is a key strategy but when it is used by a LAG recreational player or someone who loves to gamble, you will notice that they bluff a lot too. In your case, I would check on villan’s bluffing tendency. Also, with Q93r on the flop, it is a very dry flop. It means that you could have bet a little more than $20 as a CBet. I would make it $35. With 6 on the turn, it doesn’t bring in anything, other than flush draw. Now the villan could have AQ, but it is highly unlikely because you have a Q, which blocks any AQ combos. He could have a set of 9, which he slow played with preflop. With him betting the turn still doesn’t mean anything, unless you see the river. If he checks on the river, then I would bet 2/3 pot.
Hope this gives you some idea.
MayurNothing wrong with this line I don’t think. I actually disagree with the comments above that your bet sizing was too small on the flop. You should use a smaller sizing on a dry flop so your opponent can continue with a wider range.
The turn is a pretty interesting card. Puts some combo draw availabilities out there. That being said I’m not sure bet/calling would be a good line here. If you call you want your opponent to have a hand like KT or KJ of spades and be bluffing. When you have the king of spades you block some of his bluffs. He could still have hands like T8 or JT of spades for pure combo draws but it seems unlikely. Even if your hand is best, your opponent has a lot of equity.
He’s also repping a very narrow range of value hands with this bet. Would he raise the turn with AQ? Maybe. Really he’s repping two pair or better like 33, 99, or maybe Q9 if you think he has that in his range? There aren’t very many combos of that.
Furthermore, your range is pretty uncapped. You can have AA, KK, all of the sets, except maybe 33 from early middle position, and all of the high equity draws to call with. I think KQ with a spade is probably a fold to this raise.
I actually think a reasonable line is to check/call the turn and then call rivers when most of the draws brick out. The reason is just that you can have so many value hands here. Think about how many hands you’re going to bluff this turn with. The more it is, the more hands you can bet for value. That being said, I don’t think you’re going to get 3 streets of value out of position with KQ here. No harm checking the turn and value betting the river if he checks back.
As played, i think it’s a mandatory fold. It’s probably one of the worst value hands you can have in that spot. Would you be betting QJ and QT on both the flop and turn? If so, think about what it would mean when you check instead of bet. Consider checking some more hands when out of position to strengthen your check range.
Kevin’s comments are great. To add to that, you’re targeting a worse Q or good 9. If the villain sees that and turns their hand into a bluff, then credit to them. Before betting, make sure you had a plan if raised. I’d make my plan player dependent. Against any unknown player, I’d fold. If I call, I’d have to know that my opponent is capable of bluffing in this situation or overvaluing QJ or worse. Against those folks, I’d call and then check on the river with the intention of calling the all in bet that the $140 is representing.
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