Anybody good enough to fold?

[DeeKay]

Playing 1-2 home game. Most players are solid.
I’m on the button with Ah-Jh. Stack of $400
Early position makes it $12. Good player
One call and folds to me on the button.
I re-raise to $36. Both call.
Flop 8h-9h-7c
Early player checks
Middle position player bets $50.
I’m drawing to the nuts with a gutshot straight and two overs. I re-raise to $175.
Early position gives it some thought and makes the call. Middle player folds.
That check call $175 is a very unsettling. Smells like a set with a scary flop.
Turn is 7h. I make nut flush but set just turned into full house.
I only have $200 behind and player leads out for $100. I read this as a simple value bet pot committing me. There’s a chance he’s also made strong flush, so I call. River blanks and no choice but to call the all in. He shows pocket 9’s.
Can I fold that turn bet? I feel like I knew exactly how the hand played out, but could have easily had a King or Queen heart flush or even drawing to the straight flush. Could I really fold the turn? I feel like a better player would have.
Thoughts…

• This topic was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by DeeKay.

[Andrew Gray]

I think this really depends on how tight/how loose your opponent is. Do you really think your oppenent will confidently lead the turn with a worse flush, given your action once the board pairs on the turn? Extremely tough spot on the turn for sure, but by the river it almost sounds like you already know you are going to be shown the bad news. I don’t think I personally could fold either unless I knew my opponent was a complete nit.

[Joseph]

Hello,

As per your description of the players all being good, you have flopped a monster and hit your nut flush on the turn with not much behind. As such, I will not fold in that situation with so much money in the middle.

That said, I would have played the whole hand differently from the beginning. I’d assume all 3 players entering the pot has an effective stack of $400. The EP raise to 12 is 6bb raise and i will proceed caustiously by calling pre. All 3 players are only 200bb effective and not deep enough for you to 3b. You are lighting your money on fire and forced to fold to a 4b.

After you 3b pre and going 3 ways to the flop, and the MP leading, I would just call as you want the EP to over call with any hand in his range.

In hindsight, it obviously is tough to say I will lay down if I played it differently from you, I would say your play in this hand is very aggressive and will tighten up a little playing with solid players.

Thanks for sharing, good luck on the tables.

[Ethan]

Bruh, you just have to shove turn there. In a 1-2 game the guy could have trips, multiple draws and a lower flush. If he’s got it, he’s got it.

[DeeKay]

Ethan… appreciate the thought, but that doesn’t make any sense. I’m only getting called by a better hand. Opponent is a good player. The flop he checked smooth called. Also no way you lead out with that board after the flop if you didn’t have the nut flush or a full house. I’m actually suggesting I should have folded the Turn and saved myself the $200. It seemed pretty clear he made the full house, but tough spot with half my money in and made nut flush.

[Patrick Brennan]

I agree with Joseph here… the 3 bet to $175 totally pot committed you. After that bet you’re almost stuck with having to stay in the hand. I can say though I play in a home game with the same group of guys (with a few exceptions) and I have a pretty good feel for how everyone plays. If I know the player I’m up against likes to trap I think I can give the hand up on the turn (easy to say from here, I know). But you said yourself that the guy is a solid player and that feels exactly like the line a flopped set would take. A solid player likely wouldn’t commit half their stack on a K high flush draw… I think.

I doubt I’d be good enough to fold though… that’s a cooler spot for sure.

[DeeKay]

Patrick… appreciate the feedback. Yeah, we play monthly… 32 months straight. I had a pretty good feel for the hand, but seemed like an impossible fold. But, I always say what is the point of a good read if you’re just going to ignore it. And you’re right… when the board pairs… never leading out if you would also be fearing a higher flush or full house. You would check call for pot control. Poker really sucks sometimes

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