Bet sizing and shove thoughts here

[Scott]

Looking for the thoughts from the group.
playing 1/3 live

I’m in the BB with 220
UTG (playing nearly every pot) opens for only 8
UTG+1 calls
MP (villian) calls (fairly new on the table)
SB calls so pot now at 4×8= 32 plus my 3 so, 35
I look at QQ and raise it up 33
figure it can get a call from less who think I might be squeezing….
—–I’m pretty sure that’s a proper bet sizing.—
first two fold to the villian in MP who thinks for a moment
and 4 bets to 120 (after just cold calling the 8)
SB folds to me
I range the villian at AK of course, pairs 77+,
plenty of bluff cards suited, broadways small pairs too etc…
I could fold if I thought AA or KK were very likely but I think I beat an awful lot here
never calling 190 behind so, I shove it all in!!!!
Villian snap calls with AA
run out is “favorable” with Q on the turn but that’s not the point…
Was my 3 bet sizing correct, and was my villian ranging correct and shoving here?

• This topic was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by Scott.

[Han]

Hi Scott.

I think your 3Bet here is good, but I probably would’ve made it 40 instead of 33. Since UTG appears to be a calling station, I’d bump it up a tad more for value from this player. Playing out of position as well. I think 35-40 would’ve been ok squeeze. Unfortunately, UTG disappointed.

Villain was willing to take his hand multi-way. He was destined to lose this one. Its such a weird line. I can’t put villain on AA or KK here. I’m glad the hand worked out for you.

I’ve seen similar plays, where opponents would limp in with small pocket pairs after several limpers. Someone would raise and they would shove for 80-120BB.

[John S]

You’re ranging villain way too wide here. How often does this game have 3-betting and 4-betting? If it’s like most 1/3 games, there isn’t much 3-betting and 4-betting is usually reserved for QQ+.

Sure, he called the first raise, but back-raising here is incredibly strong. Unless you’re up against a maniac, this is never a bluff (TT or JJ+), and against most players the 4-bet back-jam is usually only KK or AA.

Turning a hand like 77 or a suited connector (which you have in his range) into a 4-bet means he’s putting you on a bluff. That’s a play you see at 5/5 or higher with players that know each other. At 1/3, with players that don’t know each other, villain is always super strong here.

As for your 3-bet, I agree with Han that it should be a bit bigger. I probably go for $40 – you don’t want UTG to call and have everyone else think they’re priced in.

I’ve both folded and call in this spot before – I’m pretty much never raising here. You just have to be prepared to get it in if the flop doesn’t have any Aces or Kings.

[Scott]

Thanks John for your thoughts. I do see this now. I think I could find a fold here in the future….. I don’t think I’d call here committing half my stack though. I think it’s a fold to a what looks super strong like you say or go ahead and go with my read of probably a flip. which is not ideal… with my low STP ratio I’m thinking a low variance fold here in hind site.
I’ll be looking to 3 bet a bit more as well next time as well….
Thanks for imput… I hope to share hands more often, both my own and others who share, to learn from others on this forum, thanks…..

[Sugarmaan]

There a few interesting things about this hand.
1.) As a general rule, we should be topping up to a full stack when possible, i.e, $300. The more the better as this maximises our value.
2.) As already pointed out, a larger pfr is necessary here. I like ~$45 being oop, and the apparent fishiness of the table. Charge them!
3.) Your decision to jam is fine and most certainly winning money. For your opponent to have specifically AA or KK, you need to have a strong, large sample to prove they would play such premiums that way. QQ is far, FAR ahead of a MP calling < 3bb open range in a live setting. Vast majority of players will be 3betting in this situation with AA/KK. Calling here leaving behind 140 or whatever you had left seems ridiculous with a hand as strong as ours in this situation. Unlucky to run into AA, favourable Q high runout

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