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2/5 NL @ FireKeepers Battle Creek, MI.
Table is decent. Plenty of action and most players are firing in cash games on the side of the MSPT main event.
This hand is strange because I rarely find myself in multi-way 4-bet pot. Also, both opponents were competent players and were aware of table dynamics and positions ranges etc. Main villain in this hand busted the tourney and was planning on regging again on day1c, so he was kinda “on a hurry” to make the buy-in in the cash game.folds to HJ who opens $15 (started with$900~)
I’m CO with 9c9h I 3-bet to $60 (started with$1430)
BTN instantly 4-bets to $150 (started with $1090)
HJ tank calls and I call.
pot is $450 flop is: AdKd9s
action checks around
turn is 7d.
HJ checks
I bet $270
BTN looks at my stack and shoves $940 within 5 seconds.
HJ foldsAfter a long tank I called and held up twice vs. QdQs
Is this a good call long term? calling 90BB with bottom set?
There could be long term issues here depending on how you think of the hand. I actually spent some time talking to a buddy about this hand before replying. Considering your description of the players I like your 3 bet and call of the 4 bet. You’re essentially set mining here assuming your opponents 4 bet range is JJ-AA/AK/AQs. After the flop you’d assume the 4 bettor would c bet AA/KK/AK/AQ against 2 callers with such a wet flop. So when he checks I’m thinking his range shrinks to exactly AQ/QQ/JJ and MAYBE AK but doubtful considering your description of the players. The bet on the turn I think is perfect size because it charges the HJ if he’s on a draw and you’d figure that pocket QQ or AQ for the button can still call and AK might shove or if he has any combination with the Qd will come along. The shove by the button is scary as hell and it seems like you might have gone through a similar thought process as me on this and figured the worst you were up against was AK/AxQd/QxQd which you were dominating. I would have thought a while too to see if I could reasonably put him on AA or KK but every way I think of it I can’t land my opponent on those hands very often. Good play, but against looser or less competent players or players who like to trap I think I play the hand slower….
@thebrennan
Thank you for your thorough response.
I’ll share my work on the hand with you:HJ in this hand has no limping range, meaning he’s opening all the hands he wants to play when folded to him. So his opening range from HJ is stretched. This is why I think I have to 3-bet. While vs. players who have limp/call range in UTG, utg+1 mp, hj, I’d just open large. This is just a guesstmation of course, but I have to note that he has been aware of my loose open and 3bets from CO. In this particular session I was either 3-betting or folding from CO vs. field opener (most of the time) because of the aggro on BTN. So, this is the second time that I 3-bet the HJ both times he ended up seeing a flop. Hence the 3-bet size (4x)
Assuming this is HJ open range:
I am 3-betting with this range:
<br />upload<br />BTN’s 4-bet range is not as tight as you imagine it to be imo. However if we assume that he’s not 4-bet bluffing vs CO & HJ lite, his range would be with only half AQo, AJs combos and occasional JJ:
I like calling as a set mine especially getting almost 4|1 Vs. dominated and dominating ranges. I’m gonna check/ fold a lot, but I think when I hit my set, I’ll be scooping a big pot.
that is assuming that HJ calls with this range:
There’s also this crazy idea that I always have in the back of my head that I am up verses two suited Aces sometimes and my pocket pair has a lot more equity vs. two opponents. Meaning I could be at 63% pre and not always at 18%.. I know this line of thinking is flawed, but I always think bout that. “what if I’m against Aks and Ajs?” folding is pretty bad.
Once the flop checks around:
BTN’s range looks like this imo:
With the pink hands as traps and red as pot-controlling/bad traps.
Initially, I was like oh shhit, I’m fucked.
BUT I think I’m ought to call in hindsight. I’m only worried about the occasional 12 combos traps. He’s pretty good and def. capable of checking back top & middle sets, however vs. two players & on this board, like you said, it’s pretty unlikely.My plan was to check/call the flop & proceed with caution
then, I was planning on bet/folding turn, hence the size that would not commit me and is large enough to deny advantageous bluffs.
Then, his physical tells were unbelievable.. acting way too strong and counting the money for me in a way that is trying to intimidate me. One of the reasons I called is because he said, “top pair no good” he thought I’d have AJs, ATs, AQo, here…Idk I just decided that he’s acting weird and I have a pretty good hand.I think he played it bad. He should’ve called then folded the river imo.
What do you think?
Yeah I agree with you completely. When doing analysis on this forum I end up assuming a lot because few people are as thorough as you were in sharing their hands. In big spots like this live tells play a huge part in our decision making. Honestly, as I was talking this hand over with my friend we both were commenting on how horrible QQ played the hand. Against 2 pre flop callers off my 4 bet I’m not gonna play QQ that strong on that board. He way over played his hand post flop and the worst part is he did it in a super passive aggressive way.
Thank you for sharing the hand… it’s super interesting and I had a lot of fun picking it apart.
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