Can I fold here? Bad Raise?

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  • #4548
    Anonymous
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    1/3 NL, I am the effective stack with ~$240
    I am in SB with 66, no spade.

    PRE FLOP:
    EP limp, MP makes it $12, one call, I call, BB and limper call.

    FLOP:
    Flop 567 two spades. I check, BB checks, EP limper makes it $40. Two folds, I raise to $100. BB folds and EP jams. I think and call. He has 98 off and I lose.

    Should I be flatting his bet? The board is very wet. He could be on a combo draw, I think. Once I’ve raised and he jams can I fold?

    #4549
    Patrick Brennan
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    It seems based on your description you were in the SB… is that correct? Assuming so, I think my issue here is pre-flop not post. Although information on the EP would be helpful (is he tight or overly aggressive, etc.)

    Pre-flop with 66s out of position with an EP limp, MP raise and late position call I think I’m raising here as a squeeze play. I want to try to take the pot down now or force out hands like small connectors. By calling you’re essentially inviting the limper and BB into the hand for almost free. A pot sized 3 bet to 30-35 should isolate MP and when I smash this flop I might get one or 2 streets of value if my opponent thinks I’m c betting with A high. Or I take it down with a c bet on the flip if I miss but the board comes in a way that would perceive to be beneficial for my range. Or, again, you take it down right away and thank your opponents for the free $30.

    As played, I probably have the same outcome. You smash the flop and there are so many hands your opponent could be jamming with that you have beat. I’m probably stacking off while thinking what could I have done differently? As played the only way you get away from it is if you have some live read or have a very good feel for how the villain plays. Remember he is leading near pot into 3 people on the flop when he limp-called pre…. chances are when a player does this they’re pretty strong.

    #4551
    David Wibel
    Participant

    Pre-flop can go either way with a flat or squeeze. It gives good pot odds with a set mining hand however it gets a lot more likely that you get coolered. With multi-way action coolers are a lot more likely.

    Once the turn comes I would also likely lose my stack. Against players I perceive as really weak I can fold a bit easier. In limp call pots I have learned to listen when weak players raise. Against strong players I’m much more likely to lose my stack. I can see thinking players making plays with hands like A8s, A3s, some other Axs, 78ss maybe some 7x and 9x hands.

    #4553
    Han
    Participant

    This is just a cooler. This is one of the toughest things a low stakes player has to learn how to deal with.

    I agree with David, that preflop can go either way. You’re less than 100BB, and the effective stack. Squeezing would be an option, but you should have a plan to play streets if you the PFR calls.
    Flat is also fine as well. However, for less than 100BB, on this board, multi-way, it would be very difficult to give this hand up.

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