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Folds to me on the Button, I raise to $15 with QsTc ($623 stack)
SB Folds
BB re-raises to $40 ($425 effective), I call
Flop comes Ad Js Ts
BB checks, I bet $40, BB shoves all-in for $390
I foldWant I Want To Know
– Should I have bet the flop or checked?
– Should I have called his all-in or was folding the right move?BB was fairly new to the table, maybe 3rd or 4th hand.
Thanks in advance!
First, the easy one.
I think it was surely the right fold. You are in a spot where you have to call off $350 to win a pot of $510 with only bottom pair. You surely have the 3 King outs (I am discounting the Kspades), but that might be all. It seems too aggressively played for him to be playing the flopped straight this way, or even top set (hands I would think he would try to get some value in) but I also doubt he is a complete blank. He check/jams $390 into a $120 pot. Had he been at the top of his range I feel like a $80-$90 lead out bet sets up getting you to call all in later, while keeping you in with an Ace or 2 pair, and giving you bad math on a flush draw. Or I could see check/call with a lead out on the turn maybe? Anyway I don’t think he can be at the top of his range here.That being said, the only hands you could beat are a flush draw w/ no pair, or straight draw w/ no pair. What range of hands can we put him on here? He re-raises in the BB pre-flop OOP, so its likely not air. Depending on the player of course and your own table image (do you always raise your button?) he probably has at minimum mid to high suited connectors all the way up to AA. If you have been really aggressive on your button, MAYBE he has an Ax suited kind of hand.
The only hands you beat post flop that we put his range on pre flop is missed pocket pair (99 or smaller) and or 89 (MAYBE Q9s, but I doubt it). Everything else you are crushed.
Based on all of the action pre and post flop, it feels like he is protecting a 2 pair hand or AK or Ax w/spade draw or 89spades. If he went crazy with 89o (non spades) you are in OK shape to call, but every other hand has you beat. Even 89spades is the favorite to your bottom pair here.
As far as the bet or check on the flop, I dont think its terrible as long as you are willing to fold (which you did). BB took away the lead preflop then checked when the flop came out AJT? Seems odd right? Preflop he told you he was big, then on the flop he checks telling you he missed? Isn’t this flop right in where his range should be? Had he actually missed (with 88 or something), wouldn’t this be a great flop to C-bet with heads up? Remember you button raised to a folded table against only the blinds. You could have almost anything, and you are way less likely to have hit this flop than he. So why check away the lead? Either he is super passive and is going to give up (pocket 6s or something) or he wants to milk you(check/call with the nuts), or he wants to come over the top(check/raise).
Being that you are so weak with only bottom pair, I don’t hate the bet. Maybe you take down the pot with out having to get into trouble later. But at the same time if he does have a 66 kind of hand, you are ahead and don’t want him to fold (which he probably will). What calls you that you WANT to call you? Spade draw, or straight draw (not both). That’s it. So, the bet is fine, but realize it is a complete bluff and nothing else. Folding equity is the only value in that bet.
Your other option was to check and hope for a non spade King miracle and win his whole stack. Its only 3 outs, but 3 nut outs. I feel like the check behind is the better play. If he checks the turn, then you bet that $40 (again, as a bluff assuming you don’t hit a King) it costs you the same as doing it on the flop except you got a chance at the nuts. If he check/jams on the turn you are no worse off than the flop situation. If he leads the turn you have the option to call as a bluff catcher (and see both the turn and river for that same $40 worth).
Great, detailed analysis by Patrick.
Keeping it brief: I agree with button raise, call of re-raise in position, C-bet, and fold to shove. You lost the minimum.
I agree with both, however i do not hate checking back the flop. If he raised with something like 8’s or 9’s he might then lead a blank turn and you can get a little value from your now mid pair with a draw. I dont see anything your beating calling the flop so your only getting called by better.
If he does have a monster you might turn the nuts and get some value.
As played, correct fold.
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