Does this line make sense?

[Sugarmaan]

Hey guys,

I’ve been trying to incorporate a few more bluffs into my range lately and got called down what I felt to be pretty light on this one. Just wanting to see if you thought my line made sense?

I see a couple mistakes in retrospect, mainly not raising enough preflop. Should I continue making plays like this or is it neg ev? I ask because I tried taking a similar line in a hand later that evening except with a fd and once again lost about $100.

Cheers

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• This topic was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Sugarmaan.

[Luong]

The board texture doesnt change flop to river. Villain will never fold top pair or even any other pairs in this spot, after u check the turn. Sometime u can check the turn for pot ctrl . Most of the time when u bet, check, bet, ppl will alway call with marginal hands. Let me guess, villain snap call u .

Anyway I don’t think your line is a good one , this is a -ev play for sure

Gl hf at the table

[Sugarmaan]

Interesting, I feel like after she limp called preflop and checked 3 streets her hand was marginal and trying to reach a cheap showdown by river. I thought that checking turn was what I would do with a strong Q for pot control or possibly a 9 that I decided to cbet flop with. Not to mention i wasn’t expecting specifically royal-rag with a Q, but there you go i guess. And she didn’t snap call, she tank called

[Chuck M]

I agree with Luong, after checking the flop, it’ll be hard for you to bluff imo. Villain might have folded river had you bet 3 streets, but checking turn looks more like a medium kicked Q, mid pockerpair, or even a draw (JT kindof hand). AQ, KQ, 9x are good hands to keep value betting on that turn.

I think thant when villain checks 3 times, we may have some showdown value with our 66, so I would’ve checked back expecting to win a certain percentage of the time. And when we bet, I think it’s pretty thin, I don’t see a lot of better hands folding there. (Had the river been an overcard or a flush card, maybe a bluff would’ve had more chances of success)
My humble opinion 😉

[Phx Chris P]

this is problem(?) I have with the 1/3 games as well. it’s very hard to get your opponent to fold top pair. you have to triple barrel and only if the river bet is at least pot size and they have that much or more behind….even then only some will fold. Obviously the flip side is when you flop top/top or 2p plus or hit your draw you almost always get paid off. I’m no expert on how to manage this situation into a +EV strategy but I’m trying very hard to get there. good luck!

[Yazzie]

Hey

– I don’t think that you can represent a lot on this board. I actually think that it’s a standard call on her part on the flop and river (flopping top pair & the board not changing). I personally would’ve called you with any pair on that board & some ace high hands, but I’m a calling station so 😀
– I wouldn’t be bluffing at this particular spot because you can only represent a better queen on the river that you can open with preflop (QJ, Q10) sometimes KQ that checked the turn for pot control. You do not have Q9, AQ, KK, or AA because these hands would bet the turn and bet the river. Any 9 you have would definitely bet the turn. However, you can have pocket 4s (rivering a set), but you would be betting more on the river.
– Once your opponent called your c-bet on the flop with that board, you know that they at least have a pair, most likely a queen and a bad one given they called pre after limping, sometimes AK with a back door. They don’t have a 9 there because the would have led the river if they were trying to go for the check-raise on the turn, but we don’t know that because the turn went check/check. Betting the turn 75%-90% pot at least would’ve gotten the job done in my opinion because if they call you, they’re calling a river shove.
– When you bluff in general, you’re trying to make a better hand fold, but the board has to give you an opening to represent hands & you have to determine the strength of your opponent’s hand. It’s also important that you play your bluffs exactly like your value hands. People don’t wanna be taken to value town, you have to try your best to convince them you’re taking them there, only then will they resist and fold.

• This reply was modified 7 years, 1 month ago by Yazzie.

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