Fold a Flush on a bluff?

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  • #4122
    Dave Bonham
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    Ok so I am in middle position looking down at a 6 and 7 of spades. Its 200/400. The big blind raises to 800 and I call. There are three of us when the flop comes… Q of spades J of Clubs 8 of spades. The guy to my left bets 1200 and me and the big blind call. The next card is another J (Spades). So I have my flush! The guy to my left checks and the bb bets 2500 and I raise to 5000. They all call…..hmmm. The next card is a 5 of hearts but I can’t figure out why both of them would call with me raising it. The bb bets 7500, then I raise to 12500 and the guy to my left folds. But the BB snap shoves and I just freeze up wondering if he’s got a boat or a higher flush. Also at this time I just want to stay in the tourney. hehe Really think the guy had trips. I know he did “accidentally” show one of his cards to his neighbor to his right after he picked up a huge pot. I really didn’t have much left after this hand probably should have called. Your thoughts?

    #4125
    David Wibel
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    Important to know how deep you were playing to start. By my math it was over 20,000 chips or 50BB deep.

    Preflop: By what you wrote down you limped with 67ss in middle position or over limped. I dislike both. you never have the best hand preflop and want to try to win it now and just chip up. I would say raise to 900-1000 if no limpers or 1500-1800 with one limper. With a min-raise from the BB then a call is fine.

    FLop: Flop about as good as can be expected, facing a 1/2 pot bet I’d call as well.

    Turn: Another filed player bets 45% pot, and you min-raise… don’t min-raise. Minraiseing folds out nothing but complete air, any spade will call you and if one comes it’s probably bigger than yours. Make it 7,000 or even 6,500 but don’t min-raise. I don’t respect tiny raises at all except on the river because i almost always have outs. Where I play tiny raises are nutted hands usually hopping for crying calls

    River: A blank and BB leads, I would flat call. I don’t want to get back raised and your hand has good showdown value. It would be bad to have to turn it into a bluff catcher. Also, your raise size should have to be to 15,000 with a bet of 7,500 before. Once you get 3-bet on the river a fold is fine. A small flush is a decent hand to fold once you raise, hands like QJ, 88 and QQ could be out there as well as bigger flushes. You only beat Trip Jacks, KK+ and airball bluffs.

    #4140
    DeeKay
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    Completely agree with David W. Limping is for chumps… you want to raise up the pot to limit the callers as well as build up a pot if you make you hand. No issues with a smooth call on the flop. You make your flush on the turn, but it also pairs the board, which bring additional trouble if someone was playing the set. Because of those hands, I would suggest controlling the pot. They could easily have made house full or better flush. Not sure what else they are drawing on besides a worthless straight. Me personally, I would have called the turn and called the river. Especially with the BB leading out when the board pairs and the flush comes. He could have trips, but we’re just not sure. Regardless, its a good pot, so be happy with just calling it down.

    There’s also another way you could have played it. If you raised to open up the pot, you could have semi-bluffed the flop with a re-raise. Over pair could very much be in your range and you still have the flush draw and back door straight draw. If he calls, you still have position on the turn. If he still is sticking around, then you want to control the pot as you should be a little concerned you might be beat.

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by DeeKay.
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