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Hi all…had a frustrating night (including losing $200 that fell out of my pocket, and by the time i realized it and talked with security, they could see the man who had picked it up, but didn’t know who he was or where he was….*sigh*)
Most of my hands were I’d raise pre-flop, whiff the flop and fold. Which I’m mostly fine with. I made some good c-bets at times and took them down anyways. Had QQs cracked by turned flush, JJs cracked by rivered flush, Top-Top cracked by rivered straight (all-in on turn), stuff like that all night. Again though, I played a lot of things right by my analysis – heck, I was 3-betting with pocket 9s (my most common hand of the night), so I’ve clearly been learning from you all. So most of my frustration comes with losing the extra money, and then the idea that I played mostly sound poker, but had largely negative result.
Sadly I never made a set all night either….can’t tell if I prefer card-dead or community-card dead….I think the former saves me more money.
One hand I do want to run by you guys:
Playing 1/2, 7 handed. Villain is a reg. He shows down loose sometimes, but overall is a sound player. I am the effective stack (barely) at about 140There’s a $4 straddle on (villain’s). I look down at QJ hearts in the CO, with 1 limper ahead of me. I make it $16. Button and UTG call.
Flop comes KdJd7h. Villain now donks for $15. I do not have him on a flush draw – I hadn’t seen him bet all night unless he had a piece of the board. So I put him on Kx, with maybe 1 diamond or heart. I call, as does the button. Button is playing sound poker, but seems newer to live poker. Is a fellow Brad/Andrew vlog watcher, so we chatted about that. I absolutely have him on a flush draw, with maybe a pair on the board, maybe not.
Turn is a pretty good card, its the 8 of hearts. straddler bets $40 (about 1/2 pot). I still have him on a mid-strong king. I think for a few seconds, and then shove for about $100 total. I expect the button to fold to this, so protecting myself from his draw. I think the villain could either fold or call if my read is right. If he calls, I have a lot of outs (any Q, J, or heart).
It goes about as I expected – button folds, villain calls.Trying to avoid results-oriented analysis, I’ll post the results later. Thoughts?
I know how you feel man. Had a session start of great, up a quick $200. Then I lost a $2400 pot when my full-house got 3 outed on the river, another $1k pot to when I flopped a set of 9’s on a J9x flop, turn J river J, lost to QQ, plus another $800 pot when someone called my $30 raise with 43 and flop came 44A. So definitely a rough day for me.
As for your hand – I don’t really like how you played any street.
On the flop, chasing backdoors when you’re heads up is okay, but with a player behind you and you’re not closing the action. You’re putting V1 on a K (which beats you), and V2 on a flush draw (which negates a lot of your outs). Yeah, it feels weak to fold here, but how many cards can come that you feel happy about and still allows you to get the money in?
On the turn, you get a great card, but I don’t really see the reason to jam with that short stack. Pot is around $180, 60 for him to call, and if you’re putting him on top pair I don’t see how often this works. Yeah, you fold out the guy behind you, but again, you think you’re behind and have little fold equity, and your draw is backdoor so you should still get paid. If I end up here I probably call and see the river cheap.
Yeaup, that’s about what I thought. Preflop is fine, flop & turn are terrible. I was in a poor mind-set, and was trying to make things happen. I agree I should just fold it on the flop, and if I am staying in then calling the turn and praying is my best option if I want to chase.
The river came the 6 diamonds. so a board of KdJd7h8h6d. Villain turns over K-10 offsuit (w/ 10 hearts). So I did actually have the right read. Additionally, the button tells me he would have gotten there with the diamond nut flush. So 2/2 on reads….0/2 on play (well, 1/3 counting pre-flop, but that was pretty standard)
Yeah, the donk lead is often a middle strength hand. Something like top-pair weak-kicker, occasionally a flush or straight draw. Very rarely will it be 2-pair+, since most people will check raise this.
I don’t hate your call since you do have a decent pair, since the player behind could easily fold having completely missed the flop. But when the third player enters the pot I think you have to be done with the pot unless you hit 2 pair/trips.
Something I’ve been learning lately is about playing between players – that is, one player bets, it’s your action, and someone is left to act behind you. The value of your draws are significantly diminished, because when you call the player behind you gets a much better price to call with their draws. I find myself more and more folding draws that aren’t to the nuts since it’s so easy to be dominated in these spots. Additionally, you have to worry about the player behind raising, because if they do you’re just lighting money on fire then. You need to play these spots extremely tight since your equity is severely diminished in multi-way pots, and you’re out of position with no betting lead.
Villain is a reg. He shows down loose sometimes, but overall is a sound player
This would be my first problem with your hand. Secondly, your opinion on your outs might be a little optimistic. 2-outs for a Q, 2-outs for a J, and 9-outs for the 3rd nuts. And according to your read, the Qd is a dirty out.
Not saying you can’t ever make moves like this, but not at these stacks. If Villain put in the $40, I really don’t see him folding for $60 more if he already has $71 committed. Unless he’s super disciplined.
Read the results, and I think you’re right about not being in the right mindset. It’s alright though, pretty sure it happens to everyone. Good job on the reads, though.
Cheers,
~Havick
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