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  • #1942

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    Flopped full house, and waited for TAG to catch up… check-call situation to the river…

    I took a gamble with checking the river… and hoped to induce his third barrel, hoping he was drawing to a flush.

    I chose the low variance route as AKs and KK were certainly holdings he could have had.

    Didn’t want to get stacked if he hit a boat on the river.

    Anyone else play this differently?

    #1950
    John S
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    That’s a tough spot. With the King of spades on the river, it takes away a lot of his flushes (was kind of surprised to see him 3 betting A9 suited in a straddle pot), so you have to ask what you think he’s going to call with. If you check raise the river, he’s obviously calling with kings and nut flushes, and more than likely calling with aces and AK.

    I would probably check-raise turn, make it to 550 or so. You probably fold out the Aces with no flush draw, but keep in the flush draws and over pairs. If the river comes 2 of hearts, you don’t get another bet from Ace-x of spades, so I would “charge” them to draw even though you want them to hit it. That way you can for sure get the money in on the river. When it comes Ace or King (spade or no), I just think you have to pay it off if he rivers a better boat – you probably weren’t folding him out anyways if he had AA or KK.

    I think a lot of people have a tendency to slow play their monsters too much. I agree with the check-call on the flop, but at some point you have to put money into the pot, and for me I’ve had a lot of success with raising the turn. Yeah, you may fold out some weak hands, but how often is someone running a 3 barrel bluff in a 3 bet straddle pot (or any pot for that matter).

    As played, I would just jam river. If he’s got the better boat, you just have to pay him off. He still calls down with his flushes, AA, and AK, so there are more combos of hands that you’re ahead of even if you think his only flushes are AQ and AJ.

    #1954

    Thanks John, much appreciated.

    Yeah, I kind of found myself in “this is too good to be true mode”. If he doesn’t get there on the river, then I doubt he triple-barrels… so as you say, better to get more in there on the turn in most instances.

    Villain and I talked about it after, and he asked me if I fold to a jam… to which I said no. I asked if he would have called a re-raise all-in on the river, which he said no (although I think he’s pot committed at that point and has the nut flush).

    #1958
    Steven Young
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    I agree with John. Raising the turn would be fine. I dont’ hate a call. You have to raise the river though. Otherwise why would you check. A case could be made for representing the flush and leading the river too. You def missed some value not raising the river. Slow playing is so 2010 😉

    #2080
    Chris
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    You played it pretty good. Check calling flop and turn is pretty good. Keeping his range wide continuing forward. But I think this is a clear raise turn. If he has his big pairs he isn’t folding often on this board to turn raise. Sets you up to shove river when you raise turn. If he does have a flush draw and gets there the money is getting in.

    But if your going to check river this is a definite shove. Yes he can have kings in his range. But considering all the other hands he has in his range you have like 93% equity against that range. Definitely a shove if you check this river. Just calling is just too nitty.

    #2137
    Yazzie
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    I’m most likely leading the river. Had your opponent played “correctly” by checking the turn, I’m pretty sure you’d have led the river.
    Leading the river is beautiful because you’re repping a stubborn Ak or the 2nd nut flush since he’s blocking the nut flush. I just find leading on cards that hit your opponent’s range with made hands (flopping trips, straights, flushes, and fullhouses) is always profitable because your at least getting value from worse hands + raised by worse hands.

    I just don’t like how you’re opponent played the hand honestly, 😂, merry Christmas!

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 10 months ago by Yazzie.
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