How Did it go so Wrong after the Flop

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  • #3408
    Yoheem
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    After being Dwn for the day and short stacked somehow a great flop set me up for the Nail in my Coffin.

    Sitting at 1/2 witn a Short stack in the BB w/ K6♥️
    UTG +1 raise to $4
    4 callers and i complete call for $2
    Flop is K♦️3♠️ K♠️
    SB checks, i check and PFR bets $25 .. folds to me and i Call $25 (Since it was a Pot size bet and there are a lot of Bluffs in his range on this board.. i didn’t want to raise)
    Turn is 10♠️.. i didn’t want to see a Spade but i still bELIEVE have the best hand and wanted to see what he would do.
    So I check and he bets $30 , i call jus to see the river and go from there.
    River 4♦️ ( now with about $40 behind and not wanting to rebuy again I’m wanting a check , check action)
    I check and he shoves.

    I’m pretty much done for today and jus gave up on the session. I didn’t even think of any hands i beat besides a bluff .. i jus call and ask if he has the flush and of course he has A♠️ 6♠️ .

    Only way i can see to play this hand differently is if i over play K6♥️ Preflop and try to steal the pot .. other than that i don’t see .. any other POV?

    #3419
    Chance Castro
    Participant

    You could make a case to be more aggressive pre-flop since its so difficult to play your hand out of position against 5 people. Especially if you have a narrow range/tight image. On this particular board it may have helped. That being said, I think a $2 call is reasonable/standard. Also, sometimes in 1/2 games your opponents just aren’t smart enough to fold.

    You might even put in a min raise on the flop to see where you’re at and potentially slow his action on the turn. When he calls and bets the turn, you’d sense you were behind.

    It’s hard to make a case for your call on the river against a pre-flop aggressor. He could easily have a king since he’s continued on the flop and turn. Plus your kicker is 6.

    Of course, I’ve been at the end of a losing day like this and called knowing I was behind just telling myself I had to see it.

    Cheers! Run better!

    #3423
    Han
    Participant

    I think a raise or fold preflop here is in order. What’s your typical opening in this game? Have you seen many min-raise openings with premiums?

    As played, this is a precarious position. We have trips with a medium kicker. Not much you can do here but call down, and hope to not get out kicked. Your not drawing dead as you still have full-house outs.

    Short-stacked with trips, you should not be folding in this spot anyways. You would only fold if you were deeper and fold to a specific type of player.

    #3424
    Brad Owen
    Keymaster

    Hey Yoheem, looks like a pretty reasonable hand. You’re getting a great price preflop and you’re closing the action so I like a call to see the flop. 3-betting as a squeeze is fine if you’ve seen the opponent open to 2x before from UTG+1 with marginal hands, like the one he ends up having here. Usually I’m not a fan of 3-betting someone light who opens from early position though.

    On the flop we are definitely always checking to the preflop raiser. He bets big and everyone clears out. It’s unlikely the opponent is stone cold bluffing since he raised preflop from early position and then c-bet with 5 other opponents involved in the hand. I think he’ll have flush draws or a King a lot of the time. Once it folds back to us we could make the case for either a call or a shove. Since we started the hand with 50 bb’s it’s difficult for us not to get stacked by a better King anyway. Shoving at least charges flush draws. If somehow the opponent has a hand like AA he may also get curious and call off thinking there’s a chance you have a flush draw.

    The turn is a bad card. We check and the opponent doesn’t seem to be scared of a King or of the flush getting there. He bets fairly small compared to his pot sized bet on the flop. It looks as if he wants a call. I don’t think there’s any reason to do anything other than call.

    The river doesn’t improve us and we have very little left. We check and then are getting nearly 4.5:1 on a call. We’re probably beat but it’s tough to fold trips for that price. A call is understandable. Rough end to the day.

    #3427
    Yoheem
    Participant

    Great points guys .. on this day i had jus changed tables and it was mayb my 3rd hand and the typical opening at this 1/2 is 5-7.5x

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