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5-10 PLO , 9 players. Flop is q, k, j rainbow. I have k, k, 8,4 rainbow. 3 callers to me , I pot it for $50 in sb, bb calls , others all fold. Brick on turn check , check. Brick on river , I check, he pots it for $ 150, I fold. I don’t see how I can play it any different as I am out of position , right ? I can’t call because he might have straight. I guess I could have bet turn, but if he had straight already, I am gambling on pairing board on river. What say you guys ?
I don’t really understand the pre-flop action or even the flop action but I think in general after the turn goes check/check you have to call the river. Yes, he could have a straight but he also could be value betting a hand like QQ or JJ that you beat not to mention he could be bluffing. Maybe he doesn’t have those in his range given the preflop action, again I’m not really sure what went down there. If he had AT he would be betting the turn 100% of the time to charge hands like sets or two pair to draw to a fullhouse. Not to mention if he had AT he may have raised the flop too. The only other straight is T9 and I think he’d be betting that on the turn a pretty high percentage of the time because after you check the turn it’s pretty reasonable he has the best hand.
Given the action I think it’s actually pretty unlikely your opponent has a straight. I think you certainly should have called. You probably have the best hand a significant percentage of the time.
Actually you probably could have even value bet the river yourself.
Kevin – thanks for your answer. This is probably going to lead me to doing soul-searching. I am thinking that my opponent is pretty sure that I have three of a kind. This is a local game and we all have played hundreds of hours together over the years. I just saw the BB guy tonight and he said he was bluffing but he knew that ” I was good enough to get away from the hand ” when I did not boat up. So I don’t have the option of playing in a casino and am going to do some studying here without you guys. This game is a $200 minimum buy in with the same 8 – 10 guys playing all night on Saturday’s. Somebody lost $ 2500 last week I think , normally several players win $ 1200-1400 and other break even ?
Kevin – thanks for your answer. This is probably going to lead me to doing soul-searching. I am thinking that my opponent is pretty sure that I have three of a kind. This is a local game and we all have played hundreds of hours together over the years. I just saw the BB guy tonight and he said he was bluffing but he knew that ” I was good enough to get away from the hand ” when I did not boat up. So I don’t have the option of playing in a casino and am going to do some studying here with you guys. This game is a $200 minimum buy in with the same 8 – 10 guys playing all night on Saturday’s. Somebody lost $ 2500 last week I think , normally several players win $ 1200-1400 and others break even or lose smallish.
You c-bet flop, checked turn and checked river again. Sounds to me like you have a missed draw and decided not to bluff at it. I would pot you there in position with AFC. I would also consider slow playing AT if it was a full rainbow on the turn. If your opponent doesn’t understand how to use position to his advantage this is a safe fold, because he isn’t bluffing. If your opponent is more sophisticated you pretty much have to call after the flop lead out. The board hasn’t changed since then based on your description.
If, instead, you triple barreled this board and he only raised you on the river, I think that is an auto-fold, that is the spot where V is “never bluffing” – but when you check twice to them, any player with sophistication beyond playing just their cards should pot you there as a bluff, at minimum.
Hi there, I’m a little late on that discussion but since I love plo (but unfortunately don’t have many occasions to play it live) I wanted to come and read this thread.
As said by our fellows previously, I would’ve called on the river. Villain having position, it’s (to me) pretty unlikely that he’d give up value by checking back the turn with a straight. I’d bet he bet river with something like a pair and a busted draw. He might as well have 2 pairs or a set, checking them back on the turn to pot control, and valuebetting them on the river, pretty confident you didn’t have the straight since you checked twice.
My humble opinion 😉
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