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  • #3709
    Mike joslin
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    I bought in for $100 in a 1\2 no limit game. First hand I had 4c8s folded. Guy to my right sees the flop goes all in. Everyone folds. Next I pick up Q10 spades in mid position everyone up to me limps I limp everyone limps. Board comes Q 3 8 rainbow no spades. It checks to me I lead with 15 guy to my left raises to 35 it folds to me I shove for my remaining stack. Guy shows QJ off. He busts me with a higher kicker. Was this inevitable for me to lose my stack? Everyone at the table started with 300 I started with 100.

    Anything I could have done differently?

    #3710
    Hans Griese
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    Well, for one you should buy in for more. Buying in for only 50 BB means your shoving more often, which leads to busting more often.

    Pre-flop, avoid limping. Let’s assume 8-handed, and your in MP, so say 3 lumps ahead. I’d make it $12. This will fold out a lot of these drawing hands. QJ off is probably still calling since he has position, but you know have a better idea what he’s got.

    Post flop, I’m fine with the bet. 15 into roughly 16 is large, but there’s a lot of players so getting them out is good. However, when you get raised, you’re most likely facing a better hand. You don’t know the table dynamic, so assume everyone is reasonably sound. I like a fold here. It may seem weak, but top pair mid kicker is vulnerable against that many opponents

    That being said, buy back in right away if you can. He’s calling a shove with top pair decent kicker, sounds like a person you can extract a lot of value from

    #3715
    WBGolf7
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    If you’re going to buy in short, there’s no way around getting to showdown much more often. With that flop + stack, it’s going in. Suited/ drawing hands are way less valuable the shorter you’re playing. Small-mid pairs increase in value

    #3722
    David Wibel
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    Hand breakdown first and then thoughts for where to go for the future.

    Pre-flop: I think over limping is fine but I even like folding. If you are at a table without someone who frequently raises. QTs has some value though it’s not a hand that can easily get 3 streets of value. If people raise you very quickly get into all or nothing territory, even faster than normal with only 50BB to start. With 50BB you want hands that when the flop top pair it’s hard to lose on a dry board.

    Flop: Bet seems good, sizing is decent I like it. I don’t think any bluffs exist here but top pair fair kicker is a decent hand. When villain raises I like a fold. I just don’t see any raises that we beat besides a stone cold bluff. I don’t think any worse queens raise and this board is about as dry as it gets.

    Going forward there are some things to work on if you buy in short, especially if everyone buys in somewhat deep. First, don’t limp… ever. If you aren’t happy with a hand to get in with a raise it’s probably not a good idea to get in the hand. Sticking to premium hands and keeping position will improve your chances.

    Expect to go broke with just 2 or 3 missed hands. With only 50BB even a standard raise and call will leave you with a stack around 4-5 times the size of the pot, not much room to try and get hands to fold. I really do recommend buying in for 100BB especially at 1/2 games. Most people raise to 5 BB as a standard, since they don’t respect just a 3BB raise of $6.

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