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I have pocket tens with a heart in middle position.
Sb raises to 30
I 3bet to 90 to iso.
We go heads up to flop of Q 8 5 all hearts.
We shove for 220 into a pot of 180.
We think we are pretty safe with our pair plus flush draw.
We are hoping someone with ace of heart or king of hearts will either make an incorrect call or and fold and we take it down right there with no additional risk.
He snap calls with pocket aces and the ace of hearts and we loose.
Did I play it correctly?
Pls help.
Did you limp + 3-bet, or open + 4-bet? You say the SB raises, so not sure what the action is (although a $30 open would be massive, so open + 4-bet sounds right). Regardless, you should be opening with 10s, so hoping that’s the case.
Against a SB raise, I’m fine with a raise or call when it gets back to you. SB could be doing it light. When the SB calls though, it’s not going to be super light. Decent suited cards, connectors, or mid/high pairs.
Q85 monochrome is not really a great board for 10s, even with the heart. There’s a good chance SB can have (better) hearts, straight draws, or even some Qx. More importantly, what do you expect to get called by with this bet? A single pair probably won’t call, and neither would a single weak heart, but any nut/2nd nut flush draws, made flushes, two-pairs, and maybe straight draws with a heart.
Also, A/K/J of hearts by itself is a 42% chance to win, and they are getting 2.8-1 on a call, so I think they are getting the right odds to call. (someone check me on that, I always forget if it is ‘(pot + call)’ – ‘call’ (2.8-1), or just ‘pot’ – ‘call’ (1.8-1)).
So I don’t think you played it well post-flop. I think a check back would be better, and see how the turn changes things. You very well may be losing your stack if a heart comes (especially K/J), or if its all non heart under-cards for the turn and river. But there are good chances for you to then get away from it as well. Check-calling down is the most likely outcome, I think.
What do the rest of you think?
Thanks so much for your reply. My thought process was that if a heart comes I would have no idea what to do versus a bet and if another overcard came I would have no idea what to do against a bet so I thought given that, I would be pretty happy if two overs and a flush draw called with me being the favourite or if they incorrectly folded as well.
SB was playing his AA tricky by just calling your 3 bet. Your 3 bet to 90 is pretty strong in a 1/2 or 1/3 game but I think it’s correct. Depending on how deep the opponent was you’d have to imagine his calling range includes pocket 99s and up plus all AK/AQ/AJs/KQs. This means you’re likely behind. I’m checking the flop and folding to most bets on the turn or river unless they are stupid small and nothing scary comes up. Even if your opponent calls with no pair but a higher flush draw you’re still a 3/2 dog. By shoving the flop here you’re guaranteed to only get called if you’re beat or behind. A smaller bet will get any hand you beat to fold and could get KQ to fold as long as they don’t have a heart. A hand that has you beat will likely raise or call. A raise you can reasonably fold and a call will tell you to get to showdown as cheap as possible or fold to any sign of strength. (Unless your hand significantly improves)
Thanks so are you suggesting I make a small bet? Because I feel like at 1/3 you need to capitalize on other peoples mistakes as they will not usually make the optimal play. Or if I check flop and make a flush am I folding to a bet. If I check flop and an undercard comes am I calling a shove?
Thanks so much
50 would be fine… I still think the best play is to check. I’m only making the bet if I think my opponent is weak and will fold. If he calls I’m shutting down.
I hear what you’re saying. It’s hard to analyze a single hand in a session. In a vacuum, I’m probably checking flop and betting turn if my opponent checks again. If they come out blasting on the turn I’m probably folding.
Now if the player is someone I’ve seen open a lot of pots light my play would be more aggressive… i.e. 3 bet pre and bet flop. But considering the button straddled the SB now turns into the UTG player so his open should be much stronger. So if this opponent is someone who doesn’t raise from early position much then my line completely changes… I’m gonna call pre-flop and play carefully post.
Actually, the more I think about this hand the more I prefer calling pre-flop and playing carefully post. Considering your stack size your 3 bet to 90 just about committed you to the hand and any bet post flop definitely commits you to it. See I’m thinking of the player as UTG because that’s pretty much what he is with the straddle. So his range is now pretty narrow: AA-JJ/AK/AQ/AJs and MAYBE KQs… with this kind of range there are so few hands you’re ahead of once the board comes out. I know at 1/3 there are probably a good amount of players who would open lighter here (especially a rec who doesn’t understand position) but that is something we have to determine before putting any money in the pot.
I can tell you I’ve played similar hands many times the way you just described and every time I got called I was massively dominated.
Ok your right, I messed up with the 3bet preflop by over repping my hand and narrowing his hand range un neccessarily. Truthfully I just wanted him to fold which would just allow me to take it down preflop. I think i should only be pot committing myself pre like that with jacks plus, ace king, and ace queen
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