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It was a bomb pot of $10 each player at a 1/3 NLH game.
I’m in seat 9 with about $600 middle position, full-ring game
No pre-flop action due to the bomb-ness
Flop was Kc Tc 9c ($84 in pot)
Action checks to seat 7 (about $500 effective) [Definitely a fun easy-going player as I’ve seen him call down with second pair and “value bet” less than value hands but definitely on a heater as he was making hands left and right]
Seat 7 bets $30
I looked down at AcKs
I just called
My first question is did I already make a mistake here with just calling?Seat 1 (a relatively solid player – the “feather” of PokerKraut’s friend) just went all in with $83
Action folds to seat 7 who calls
I call
My second question is did I compound the problem by making another mistake here with a second call?Pot is now $333
Turn was a 9h pairing the board = Kc Tc 9c 9h
Seat 7 quickly checked to me
Now I’m thinking if seat 1 has me beat with a flopped straight or a flopped flush or now a full house, I should try to open up a side pot with seat 7 since he checked to me (showing weakness) to try to recoup some of the money.
My third question is was that thinking even remotely correct?I bet $85, seat 7 calls relatively quickly (as quickly as he could’ve as it took him a while to cut out $85 in red even though he had green chips too)
My fourth question here is how is the bet sizing?Main pot $333, side pot $170
River was a Kh, board now Kc Tc 9c 9h Kh
Seat 7 quickly moved to his chips of stake around $320 now), twitched a tiny bit, then just bet out a stack of red for $100, leaving $220 behind about. I have him covered.
My fifth question here is what would you do now? Just call as KT beats me, QcJc beats me, and if he has a K, we would just chop anyways. But I can still push to value any flush, any 9, and any straight which frankly, due to how I {badly} played in the earlier streets, he can all possibly have. And due to what I know about him, it’s like 75% he would call if he had a 9, 50% he would call if he had a flush, and 25% he would call if he had a straight just because he could possibly think he “came this far.”Okay so this didn’t turn out to be just “a quick hand” with multiple questions. Obviously we have a bit less information, one less preflop street of information, due to this pot’s bomb-ness.
First question: Yes, I would have raised. You have top pair top kicker with the nut flush draw. People tend to loosen up with all the dead money in the pot, might as well charge them to draw or play their lesser pairs.
Second question: I guess you can raise here or call. I’m almost more inclined to call after calling the first bet. It really becomes odd with the smallish shove by seat 1 that I’m not quite sure what to do here. I guess I don’t mind the low variance route.
Third question: Yes, you should bet this. You can’t get seat 1 out since he’s all in, but you still have a very strong and should try to extract value out of the other player. Bet.
Forth question: Yeah, a little small, only about 25% pot. Granted, it is a dry side pot so that changes it a little. But I would size up to at least 40% of the pot. He already put in 83 on the flop, so you want to go larger than that since there were 2 callers to the bet of 83.
Fifth question: Jam. If you’re beat you’re beat, but I think worse case scenario is you chop since realistically only a few hands beat you. If he folds you still win the same amount of money that you would have if you only called. You need to try to get that value and hope he calls with worse. Pot is big enough to reason to size smaller. There are way more combos of hands you beat or chop with than hands that beat you (5 total: 1 combo of QJ suited, 1 combo 99, 3 KT).
Hello guys,
Thank you so much for getting back to me.
My main question really was the final question. When he bet just $100 at the river, I was really struggling to just call or shove. I was really really thinking “what would a good player do here.” Is there any point to shove since if I were up against any average or good player there, only a hand that beats me and only a hand that chops with me would call, so what’s the point of raising there. I’m glad it was truly just a cooler hand.
I shoved. And he coolered me with KT. So I did lose that additional $220.
Regardless of the result, I just wanted to make sure I didn’t completely butcher it with a senseless or pointless all-in at the river.
More questions to come… Thank you guys.
I actually like the way you played the entire hand, except the river. I don’t see any point of raising on the flop as everybody’s range is completely open since it was a bomb pot. Not hard to find made straights and flushes with 9 players to the flop.
Turn is fine, and I like opening a side pot is a good thought. I like your sizing, as blowing a inferior hand out of the pot, only to lose the main to the all in player doesn’t make sense.
At the river, with a double paired board, the opponent can really only call with a K (for a chop), or 99 (for quads). Maybe you could get a crying call from a 9x hand, but is that a likely holding consider the way your opponent played the turn (check/call)? I think by calling the river bet, you decrease variance, without sacrificing very much value at all.
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