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12/27/2017 at 8:14 am #2141Saul HerreraParticipant
In the following hand, I’m beating myself up for not getting away from this hand on the turn, but this is somewhat results oriented, and I want to check with others to get your opinions.
I’m UTG with 4c4s and open to $10 in a $1/$2 game. I start the hand with $440.
I get called by the cutoff ($300) and the button ($600).
Flop comes Js6d4h.
I decided to trap (may be a mistake long term) and check with my bottom set. The cutoff bet $20, and was called by the button. My plan was to check raise almost all turns.
On the turn, the cutoff bet $50, and to my surprise, the button raised to $185. This set off alarms. The button is a competent player, who can bluff, but usually when he senses weakness. This was not the case here (at least from the cutoff).
I went deep into the tank. The value hands he does this with are JJ, 66, 53 suited (all of which beat me and I’m drawing thin). I don’t see him doing this with any two pair hands, as they would be bottom two pairs, and more importantly, it’s hard too see many two pair hands he would be holding.
He could potentially be making this play with a hand like AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, Jh10h, but that’s only 4 combos.
After a lot of thinking, I made the call (cutoff folded), and then check/called off my last $220 when a 10s hit on the river.
He showed JJ for top set.
I really don’t like the way I played this in several respects.
Thoughts?
12/27/2017 at 8:55 am #2142Saul HerreraParticipantI forgot to mention the turn was the 3h
12/27/2017 at 4:50 pm #2143John SParticipantIt’s hard to get away from set over set, especially on a board that doesn’t have obvious flushes or straights. Don’t beat yourself up for for going broke. If you were aggressive you lose the money just as well.
I wouldn’t put him past doing this with any two pair here, even bottom two. A lot of guys will play those suited semi-connectors on their button because you can win big hands because no one expects that (I do this against certain players because you can stack players who refuse to fold their AA or KK). This is player dependent, but I think his range is a bit wider than you think it is, especially for a 1/2 player. So if I played a hand like 64, 63, or 53, and the turn brings that heart draw I probably raise as well.
The only hands you are crushed by at JJ and 66. Against the straights, you have 10 outs to fill up or hit quads, not great, but still about 20% equity. So when you add up all the hands you’re behind, then add in all the flush draws (AJ, KJ, QJ, JT, and I would add A6) and the two pairs, I don’t think you can fold. Not all players are raising their flush draw, but some will.
So don’t beat yourself up about it. Unless this player only raises the nuts and never gets out of line (and you said he’s a competent player, so he could be getting over-aggressive with a lot of hands, and since you checked twice he’s probably not concerned about you, he’s probably raising HJ), it’s hard to find a fold here. Just a cooler.
12/28/2017 at 7:08 am #2146ToshoParticipantJust a cooler,i like your flop play and that you went with a plan on the turn,its tough to find a fold in this spot as you said aggainst a competent player ,just a cooler dont beat yourself about it.gl 2 all.
12/28/2017 at 7:35 am #2147Saul HerreraParticipantThanks for the replies. I appreciate the feedback!
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