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I played this hand last Saturday. 2/5 NL. 3 hours into the session. 5th hand I played all night. My image is okay, my range is capped by most players.
link down below to SharMyPair vid of the hand.
http://mysmp.me/vh_is8>I straddled UTG $10. Stack: $1200
>UTG+2 “tilted tight” older guy who just reloaded raised it to $45. His stack: $900
>Folds around to BB “bully” young pro calls $45. His stack: +$1700
> I call with Ad10d. Pot:$137 (Should I raise?)
> flop: As5d10s
> BB checks.
> I check (should I lead?)
> Tilted Tight bets $60
> BB calls quickly.
> I raise to $190. (Is it enough?)
> both players call. Pot now:$707
> turn is Qd. I pick up the flush draw + top two.
> BB Checks.
> I bet $345. (size??)
> both players call. Pot:+$1700
> river is 5s. Board reads As5d10sQd5s
> BB checks
> I check (should I jam my $620?)
> Tilted tight jams $350~
> BB tanks, then smooth calls.
> I tanked. Couldn’t make the call. I fold. (Should I call?)
Tilted tight showed AcQh turning top two.
BB showed Qs 9s rivering a flush.How often should I fold here? (River pairs the board + completes front door flush) math can be tricky here.
I’d love to hear your feedback guys. Right and wrong are subjective in a lot of spots in poker.
A couple of things.
1. Straddling in UTG is the worst play in poker. Let others do it, not you.
2. Identifying your first opponent as tight, I’d doubt he’d be raising with holdings much weaker than AdTd, a call in your situation is fine.
3. Leading out is fine, check raising is fine. Both are good, though as your opponent is the pre-flop raiser, a check raise may be the better option.
4. Your check raise is too small. It should be an additional $150 or more. You are deep stack and there is a flush draw on board, make them pay.
5. At the turn you are unknowingly in trouble. I think the bet size is okay, considering you only called the flop. Your opponent should have raised and put you all in, he made a big mistake just flatting considering his stack size.
6. Tough fold based on pot size and amount to call, but with the original raiser betting out, and the BB flatting, it’s hard to believe your two pair are any good here. Only really good information on both opponents could say other wise.You are most likely losing money on this hand no matter how you change things up. The AQ isn’t going anywhere on that flop.
@craig thank you very much for your comprehensive reply Sir.
I purposefully didn’t include my thinking at the time of my opponent’s holding because I wanted an analysis like yours.– I agree with you, straddling UTG is not ideal at the least. But it is a by default straddling when everybody is straddling UTG which is the only position allowed to straddle in this poker room. At the time, I sized my check raise on the flop x3ish the bet because I wanted the preflop raiser to call. Flopping top two as a straddlor is dreamland, I didn’t wanna chase my opponent away. However I certainly didn’t want the flush drew holding to get a good price to call. It’s always been a dilemma for me; should I go for smaller size when I have a good hand so I don’t scare people away? Or the other option. Most of the time I it’s a player-dependent decision. Other times, I’m just simply too happy with my hand.
About the fold, BB didn’t hide his enthusiasm not for a bit. I’d have gotten stacked anyway if the river was not a spade and maybe a kingI agree with what crag said, except i prefer a lead on the flop. That flop is very likely to have hit your opponents range (one of them at least), so instead of a check raise which basically turns over the strength of your hand to your opponents with out giving you a bunch of info about theirs, lead out maybe $75 into the $140 pot. The beauty behind a lead on this flop with 2 players left to act behind you is 2 part. First it is often perceived as a weak lead or a blocker bet by a(your) weak Ace or a draw. If one of your opponents has an AK/AQ type of hand they will raise is nearly 100% of the time(Like Craig said, the AQ isn’t going anywhere on that flop). That raise will have to be in the $300-350 range to be effective. Secondly, if it goes raise followed by that 2nd player losing his mind and dropping a re-raise jam, you just gained a ton of information about the hand (are we up against a set, or maybe a big double draw?) Plus that much action often gets you a great visual on that first player. Now there is a ton of money in the pot (but not your money) and you can use all that information to either get it all in there, or get away from the hand (tough here, but possible). The only time it is going to go call-call after you “weak lead” into 2 players here is if they both have the draw and play passively, in which case you know exactly where you stand on the rest of the hand. If it goes raise & call then you are a little in the dark on the 2nd player (draw? set? 1 pair?), but for you to call here is the same money you were already going to invest on the first plan to check raise, and your hand is pretty well concealed.
The flop check raise doesn’t get you as much information about the hand, and costs you more to do it. It also makes it a lot harder to get ALL the money in on the flop when you very likely have the best hand and might get paid off by a big Ace (which will never pay you on the river unless they improve).
So, on this specific hand (remember we need to focus on ranges, not exact holdings though) if you lead out then re-raise jam you would lose a huge pot. The queen on the turn puts you behind the guy who is most likely to pay you off on the flop. But its the right decision. When you get it all in you are WAY ahead of the first guy, and the 2nd guy has to think he might not have as many outs as he had hoped.(does the 2nd guy come along too? who knows, math isnt that bad, but blockers come into play plus COULD be behind a bigger draw or a set. He has a lot to think about.)
@patrick
Thanks for your reply.
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