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Playing 1/2NL at Harrah’s Cherokee last night. I sat down just behind the button and this happened on my first SB when it came around, so I don’t have any info about other players at this point. It may seem like a straight forward hand but something here left me scratching my head.
9 handed, there are two or three limpers and the button raises to 10. I look down at AcKd in the SB and raise to 20. Folds back around to the button and he calls.
Flop K63 rainbow. I lead for 10, villain raises to 20, I call.
Turn J. I check, villain bets 20, I call again.
River is a 4, board is rainbow. I check to villain expecting him to check back, but he shoves for 85 (I have him covered). This confused the hell out of me and I went into the tank for about a minute. Not having any history with the villain I obviously have no idea what he’s capable of as far as bluffs or what he would play in that position. I’m putting him on either a set of 6’s or a total bluff at this point, I feel like if he had KJ he most likely would have checked the turn, but again not having a history with him or any idea how he plays….. I finally put in the call and villain didn’t look thrilled at that point, he rolled over KQ and I took down a pot of $290 or so.
Even with taking it down, this hand left me confused for some reason. Did I misplay it, did he misplay it, did I put in a call that I probably shouldn’t have and got lucky?? Very likely could be that I’m just over thinking it, but I wanted to share this one to see if anybody else thought something was a little off here.
You sort of misplayed it, and he way overplayed his hand.
Your misplay – if you’re going to 3-bet, especially OOP, you need to make it bigger. What’s the idea of going from 10 to 20? Should be at least 30, more like 35-40 since you’re out of position.
On the flop, why the quarter pot bet? Maybe this is what made him play like he did, thinking you were weak and scare of a K with a hand like QQ/JJ. I’d probably make this 15-20. The bet should be somewhere between like 33-50% pot. Had you raised and he called, the c-bet should be somewhere around the size of your pre-flop bet.
His misplay – he played his hand like he had a set. That or for some reason he thought your min-raise and tiny flop bet were weakness/you being scared of the K. Or maybe he just decided to go with his top pair.
It’s hard to know what level some random player is thinking on, so it’s impossible to say why he did what he did. I would see your line as weakness based on your bet sizing alone. I also have played 1/2 in years, so I don’t know what typical bet sizes/raises are in a game like that. If at 3/5, someone min-raised my $20 PFR to $40, then downbet that flop to $20, I would probably take is as weakness and call down with KQ.
I would just take note that this player does some goofy things and watch him. Does he have no clue and overplay a lot of hands, or was this sort of a one-time thing. Does he normally play bigger and was just messing around waiting for a seat to open?
Everything John said is spot on.
I don’t think your final call is bad, people at these stakes often overplay hands, or try to push people off their hands. Plus its not really that big of a bet compared to the pot size ($85 into about $125). For further future thought, I see no version of the villain checking back the river – he has shown aggression 3 times already, safe to expect he will continue to show it.
I will say as the two others.
3bet bigger (3x his bet size + 1 if you’re oop (or more if villain’s bet is called by someone else before you).
But in that situation, villain raises to 10 on the btn, if you decided to 3bet (which I think is a good idea). 3x would be 30, so since you’re in the blinds (oop post flop), I’d make it around 40.Flop, cbet 10 (quarter pot), it looks weak. It looks a little bit as if you missed the board and you felt that you had to cbet. Maybe with TT-QQ, or AQ, AJ kind of hands. I would’ve called halfpot (same bet as pf). But since the flop is dry, you can make it small (but bigger than quarter pot). Let’s say we raise to 40 and villain called. Pot would be 80, we could go between 30-40 (you can even bet 45-50, but don’t really have to, imho). It also depends on the stack sizes.
I think I would have bet turn and river. (or check with the intention of calling the river).
From his part, I understand the raise with KQ, I’d called as well since he’s got position, plus, here, since you just min-raised, he can call with pretty much anything (his whole raising range).
Then, you check turn, he wants to get value for his top pair, 2nd kicker, thinking he’s losing only to AK, with which he could expect you to bet bigger on the flop, and lead the turn. So he might think you’ll call him with Jx, or AQ, AT, for a gutshot.River, you check again, no reason for him to think he’s beat, he value bets all-in (which was around 40% pot, if I’m not mistaking)…
so, yeah, he played it kinda hard, but, it’s understandable from his point of view, in my opinion.I’m actually a bit surprised how small he bet on the turn.
Had I been in his shoes, I’d flat flop, and bet around halfpot on the turn if you check. He could even shove the turn (if the 3bet pf, and the flop bet were bigger)The two main things : I’d 3bet bigger, and cbet flop bigger as well.
And think about it : you don’t know how he plays ’cause you just arrived at the table, but it’s the same for him, doesn’t know how you play 😉nh
Thanks for the feedback guys. Taking away that I need to work on bet sizing, definitely noted. One thing I have noticed about my playing, unless I have the nuts I hardly pay any attention to the size of the pot. I will admit I’ve developed a bad habit somewhere along the way of making my bets based on the size of my last bet. Don’t ask me where that came from because I couldn’t tell you. And as often as I tell myself to stop doing that, at the table all game plans go out the door.
Chuck, good point about him not knowing how I play either!
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