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Kind of a tricky hand I had this past weekend… a friend and I can’t seem to agree on the right play so looking for feedback.
2-5 game… pretty solid group of players… lots of 3-betting but haven’t seen anyone get too loose or crazy.
First spot opens up to $15 and a few callers. I’m on the button and find 10-7 spades. For some reason one of my favorite hands to play. I make the call and so does the small blind. I have about 1500 behind.Flop comes 7-7-5. Two clubs. Small blind leads out $50. hmmm. Small blind has about $6k behind. He’s been getting paid off by terrible players. A mid position player raises to $150. This guy has played some good hands and some bad hands. Possibilities are small over pair, A-7, A-5, and flush draw. I think I could very well be good here, so I re-raise to $350. After a long though, the small blind calls, and so does the mid position player. Huh ??
The turn brings a blank. Small blind checks, slowly followed by MP guy. Honestly, at this point I don’t know if I’m good or not. There’s about $1100 in the pot and I decide to pot control and check as well. My thinking was I don’t want to open this pot back up and let the huge stack shove or the same for the MP player who has about the same chips as me.
River also blanks. Small blind checks. MP guy bets $250. I think this is a weird bet. You have to have something strong to bet into 2 players… one who re-raised to $350 and one who made the smooth call and has a monster stack. I almost think about folding. He’s got to have A-7. I can’t raise, but even if I do call, the big stack might shove. In which case its only another $250 at this point and clearly I will fold. I make the call. Big stack goes into the tank. He exposes a 7 and suddenly I feel very ill. But he’s also in the dilemma that someone bet and I called, so he can’t like his kicker. He folds. Wow. MP player shows a busted flush draw and I scoop with my trip 7. Bid stack said he had 8-7.
Curious if I gave up a lot of value there or was right to be cautious and check the turn. I feel like I played it right, but would like to get some feedback.
This one is interesting for sure. I was in a somewhat similar situation recently in 1/3. You may have lost some value but I understand why you played it the way you did. Maybe you lost some value. Had you bet 1/3-1/2 pot on the turn you’re getting called by 87 in sb, and probably a call with the flush draw priced in. Probably a check, check on river to you again (doubtful the MP would bluff the river at this point). Hard to say if the sb with 87 would call or re-raise at this point. Would you fold to a river shove in this instance? I think it’s hard to lay down trips here, but his 6k stack needs to be considered.
This is a great hand…. I felt the tension just reading through it. 2 callers on the flop to your $350 flop 3 bet is a total wtf moment.
I’d be interested in knowing how quickly MP called. Typically when people call extremely quick they’re usually on a draw. I called a players hand to the exact 2 cards and suit partially based on this info the other night.
I would like your turn check better if not for the fact that someone kind of has to be on a flush draw. The problem is you pretty much only have a pot sized bet and any turn bet commits you completely to the pot but I think you might have to go with it. You want to fully charge the draws and you’re losing to so few hands as is. Heads up I can consider a check but not 3 handed.
As played, I think I’m just calling the $250. I don’t have a good enough feel for the situation to have an idea if the player is trying to get a crying call or if he thinks the 2 of you will read that as a “please call me bet” and bet-fold. Either way, I’m calling for $250 with any 7 here as it just gives too good of odds.
Good feedback. It was one of the most intense hands I can remember playing in a long while. Weird mix between a weaker player (MP) and the small blind who seems to play straight forward but has a mountain of chips.
When you know the hands, everything makes sense. Guy flops trips with weak kicker… straight forward player so he’s betting to not let it check through. MP raises. Given the weak flop and having the two clubs… raise makes sense. When we both call… I get letting it check around. The small blind will check call and no reason now to bet for the MP or me. If it checks around on the river, I’m betting for certain. Makes sense that the (MP) player bets given he can’t win otherwise. But at the same time, betting into two players is foolish. He wasn’t good enough to know that he is representing something very good.
I really came very close to folding. I’m sandwiched and MP can’t be betting into two players with nothing. What am I beating? Apparently only 8-7.
Huge pot to sweep. Like $1800. The last thing I wanted to see is betting on the turn or even calling the river and seeing the big stack put us all in.
To answer your question… the hand played quite slowly. No one acted too fast. It was complex and certainly when a guy is sitting at the table with $6k. That will slow things down. This was at the Borgata. So 2-5 at the Borgata… $6k is a huge stack. Most strong players will be in the $2-$3k range as the buy in is capped at $1k.i’m no expert and mostly seems about right to go down as played..but, if we’re going to drill down to see if there’s something to learn, then it seems to be the chk back on the turn. i guess we have to really think about what hands would get chkd to you? out of all those, are more or/less ahead of you? of those behind you, how many do you want to deny equity to and how many do you want to get value from? if there is value to be had, is it worth going for when one of them has a better 7 and/or the nuts. I don’t think either player will have 77,55,57 based on the play up to your turn decision (I guess once in a great while SB flopped the nuts and is just hoping MP keeps the betting lead on the turn; but based on how you saw him play for straight forward value prior it doesn’t seem likely). So only better 7s (none of which can be flush draws) and that means only ONE of the players can be ahead of you and the other a draw or give-up…or both on draw/give-up. seems like there are a lot of hands you want to deny and value and only a small number of hands that have you beat. Realistically, how many J7,Q7,K7,A7 does MP even limp pre with? and how many of those raise the flop bet? seems like not many at all. How many of those does SB limp with? probably only the suited ones and not all of them? more likely connected 7s which you are head of all (except 75 which doesn’t usually chk the turn so is probably out)…and you’re not dead to any of those better 7s either…AND i bet you have some fold equity against some of the better 7s with a bet on the turn as well…I mean how would you feel if you were the SB with J7s and you got raised on the flop and bet into on the turn? So, it looks like probably a bet is better on the turn? But is it better with only 1:1 SPR? what size doesn’t give the correct odds for a draw to call? what size will a worse 7 call? Can we get Polk in here to tell us what to do??? side note, how about a river Tc one time!! lol. Excellent hand post. This is how we get better, by going over and over this shit. 🙂
p.s. what flush draw did MP have? only FD or str8 draw too?
Chris… thanks for the comments. I haven’t read this post in a bit (obviously). Reading it back you and Patrick both make the astute observation that its not possible that they both have a 7, so one of them is on the flush draw. Therefore you want to charge/deny equity and represent a strong 7. However, given it was a mere $15 raise, its likely the big blind could have any 7, and middle position could have suited 7 which should be better than mine.
However, when the turn goes check, check. I think you are both right that I need to bet for value. A-7 definitely bets there. The only other wrench to throw at that analysis, is that it would be common for both players to check to the raiser.
Lets say I bet on the turn. Pot was $1100, and I bet $350. I’m not losing a player. Likely the big stack calls, which would give the odds to the flush draw to call. Now the pot would be 2100 on the river and it would likely check around to me and I would check at that point. I can’t imagine the missed flush going for it then after I’ve shown so much strength. So may have picked up a little more.
But overall, I agree now, needed to bet there to charge the draws or weaker hands. Yet so easy to break it down when you are not sitting next to a 6k stack. May have been a little too conservative, but I’m also ok with that line. Its great poker and I love it… even better to win as I think I cashed out of that session $4,460.I believe the flush draw was K-9. Made sense.
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