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Hi everybody so this is the very first hand I’m sharing here with you. I play cheap online tournaments, where the players are a lot of times completely crazy, shoving a 20K chips starting stack (200BB) within 5 hands (completely nuts, but barely nutsy).
Anyways. We’re at level 5, blinds are 150-300 and we’ve only played 43 hands before. I have a big stack of 45K chips (150BB) , since I managed to exploit one of these crazy guys I told you about at the beginning (QQ>JJ).
In this hand I have Jh3h, on the button. This wasn’t a hand I was expecting to play, but knowing the field to be unexperienced and seeing them limp in, I decided that I’d give it a shot. Here’s how the hand went : (see you at the bottom of the text)
Flop isn’t that bad, since we catch a flush draw. Villain min bets, so I’m guessing he doesn’t have much. I think it’s early to raise him, he could be valuing an ace, betting a Queen as well.
The turn is definitely an action trigger for us. We catch a bonus straight draw, and villain min bets once again. Obviously the odds to call are pretty good, but with the additionnal straight draw I decide to raise, trying to make Villain fold a good pair. Seems like the raise wasn’t big enough (tell me what you think ?).
The river finally gives us something, with the 6 of heart. Villain fires a third barrel, this time shoving all-in : around 6K in a 4K pot. So here I’m beaten by any Kx or Qx of hearts, which would have had a pair before. Since Villain barreled 3 times it makes sense.
So what do we do ? To protect you from being influenced, I didn’t tell you the final result until now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts !
The hand : http://mysmp.me/h_jp5
I’d encourage you to explore your thinking.
“I decided that I’d give it a shot.”
What is your strategy? What are you tying to accomplish? I would explore what raising here would do, why would you raise vs flat? If you are going to play this hand, I would raise to 3xBB + 1BB for every limper. This possibly accomplishes narrowing his range or forcing him to make a mistake. If he called your raise, he would be playing Q4s out of position. Plug your open range against Q4s in Equilab and you will see you are ahead. If you put in a limp/call range, you are further ahead. Also, you are not putting any pressure on the blinds. Your specific hand does not play well multi-way and your flat put you in a tough spot. Fold or raise here.“so I’m guessing he doesn’t have much”
I would suggest you be more specific, what would he limp with and then lead? He has to have a piece of it. What would he limp-lead with here? All A-x, all q-x, pocket 8s, 6h7h, 7h9h, ThJh, etc. I plugged his range in here, assuming he is not leading with air:
99-22, ATs-A2s, KJs-KTs, QTs-Q2s, JTs, J8s, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, 43s, AJo-A2o, Q8o+, 98o, 87o
You are still behind here. I don’t mind the call, you are getting great odds to call.“I decide to raise, trying to make Villain fold a good pair.”
Do you think a player who min bets post flop is capable of laying down a good pair? You can exploit this player, apply pressure and value bet him.On the turn, his range is narrowed even further and you lose more equity against his range, which will continue with heart draws that are also paired.
In general, have a strategy, I suggest writing it down, and then decide which tactics you are going to apply in specific spots with some reasoning. Always be thinking.
Hi YogaMadison and thank you for taking the time to answer !
Actually what I meant by giving a shot is that at a good table I would never have played this hand. Here I didn’t raise because I just knew it would have been spewing money, they just DON’T fold xD
So I think it is more profitable to pay one BB when your hand has some potential, and exploit it later.I agree with you on the fact that he probably had a piece of it on the flop. I am behind, so I guess you would have just called on the turn ?
Also what do you think about the river ?
I would try to take limping out of your game and evaluate what happens.
Check out this post by Doug Hull.
https://forum.redchippoker.com/discussion/91/mission-2-stop-limping-pre-flopI don’t agree that limping is more profitable than aggression. Try attacking limper in position. Limp folding is setting your stack on fire, so put them in spots where they either have to 1) call out of position with a marginal hand or 2) limp fold. Check out Jonathan Little’s books, he has written a lot about this.
As far as your play on the turn and river, what range of hands can you beat that he is likely to hold? If you say he will not fold better, what worse hands in his range can you beat? You are getting crazy odd to call, but if I am drawing dead, then I wouldn’t call down. You have outs vs some of the hands in his range, but not enough to call.
Does that help?
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