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Why wouldn’t it include skill in the game if I bought into a tournament where you win a prize instead of money?
I guess I should be more specific. I won a tournament where you win a trip on a poker cruise. You get some money for travel expenses amd they give you a few buy ins for tournaments on the cruise along with tickets for the trip as well. I’m just wondering how to include that when I track it since I am getting some money and buy ins to a couple tourneys. Though most of the value is just in the price of the tickets for the cruise.
Thanks for the response David. I agree with you in that I think I should be calling his min 4-bet. When he opens utg and then 4bets one of the few players at the table that can put a huge dent in his stack, I wonder if he’s even more nutted than the hands you suggest. Maybe even just QQ+, AK, and possibly some bluff combos like A5ss or A4ss.
When I plugged in the stacks into an ICM calculator, my remaining chips that I jammed had a value of $5K. And had I won the full double up, my stack would have been worth $7.5K. Had my jam folded him out, then it would be even less. So from an ICM perspective I think I should be much more conservative against the chip leader and just call and see a flop.
My goal is almost always to win but at the same time, laddering up and winning a few extra thousand would have been very helpful to my bankroll, especially with the world series going on now as I want to play a few events.
Hey John. Thanks for the well-thought out response. (I was waiting a month for someone to write anything.) I think you’re absolutely right in that the cutoff is the only player I should really be afraid of here.
It was my first time playing with any of these opponents so the only thing I picked up on was that no one was getting out of line, until this hand that is, which made it even tougher to try to find a call. I really wonder what the cutoff had in mind when he check-jammed. But it seemed to mostly work out for him this time.
I would still love some feedback if anyone happens to see this post. I’ve just been thinking about this hand a decent amount.
There’s a book called “Advanced Concepts in No Limit Hold ’em: A Modern Approach to Poker Analysis” by Hunter Cichy that shows a lot of hand matrices from poker snowie. The book derives a suggested strategy from what poker snowie shows. I think the software will help us get closer and closer to finding a game theory optimal style of play.
However, not everything is practical. For instance, there were certain hands I remember that it said to open with only a specific percent of the time. To give an example, it would say sonething like open 45ss 18% of the time from a certain position.
I would absolutely bet the river there. I don’t see what you should really be afraid of here. The Ace shouldn’t hit his range here when he limp calls preflop, check calls the flop and turn, and then checks dark the river. If anything the ace could be a scare card for him so you should size down to 1/4 pot or 1/3 pot ($100 to $130). He can have any worse one pair hand Q9, QT, QJ, and KQ that should be able to call that size of a bet. He should be raising AQ preflop so I wouldn’t suspect him to have top two very often. A8 seems super unlikely because that means he check called the flop in a multi-way pot with Ace high and no draw. Even A7 doesn’t appear to be in his range. Why would he check call both flop and turn with second pair in a multiway pot. He played the hand very weakly and passively so I would imagine your two pair is almost always good here. It looks very much like he just has a Q when he check calls twice on a dry board and then checks dark the river. The only other hands I could see him having are slowplayed flopped sets of which there is only pocket 3s or 7s. So that’s not too many combinations of hands (There are many more combos of Qx hands he could have). If he check raises your river bet, as annoying as it is, you may just have to fold as it only makes sense for him to have a set or some sick bluff.
I like your turn bet though. Sizing a bit less than 1/2 pot should keep weaker Qx hands in and the players all seem pretty weak when they suddenly check to you on the turn.
That is insanely sick. Straight over straight over set over set over set. That doesn’t even sound real.
That’s a tricky spot. There aren’t too many value hands in his range other than a Tx or exactly pocket 3s. And even though his range is wide in the straddle, it would be strange for him to raise with a weak ten. At the same time, his bluffs would have to be with pure air as there are no draws. So if this player type was capable of pulling a big bluff, then I believe you should call as he doesn’t need to to have too many bluff combos for that to be a profitable call.
Also, the player behind you could have floated your cbet with any small pocket pair, Ax, or overs so you don’t have to worry too much about him acting after you when you call the first jam. Obviously, when he rejams, you have to let it go as you did.
I usually record any promotional wins on pen and paper and write which month they occured in so I can see how much I won in promos over the year or per month. I only record poker play in my tracker, meaning only cash games and tournaments. Otherwise, as someone else said, it can mess with your hourly rate.
That sounds like a great table actually. Anytime there’s a lot of loose passive players, you’re swings will be wilder but your potential profit can be huge. I’ve played on many tables with these types of players and I find the best strategy is to just play tight and go for big value when you have it. So rarely, if ever, bluff. These player types don’t pay attention to how many hands you play per hour and will generally call if they even remotely like their hand. I’ve had a lot of success against them just by waiting for good hands and getting thick value. Patience is the key against loose, passive fish.
I appreciate the input Steven. It’s always good to hear different thoughts on a hand and see different perspectives.
Getting 6 to 1 on the button and closing the action, I’m going to call with pretty much anything there. As mentioned, the villain was a very lag player and I’ve played with him ample times to know he could have literally any two cards here. So I think he could for sure have any flush here as well as 9J for a straight or perhaps some hands that picked up a big draw like AsTx or AsJx. Or some small percent of the time, he’ll have complete air.
Thanks for the advice Brad. I was debating whether or not to 3bet at the time. I’ll keep that in mind for next time.
If it’s a looser table, I would just raise upfront since people are likely to call wide. If you want to limp, I would always limp raise to get as much money into the pot when I have a good hand and am likely ahead. And I don’t think you should be afraid to get in 110 big blinds (even less technically since there was a straddle) preflop with JJ in a loose game. Just my thoughts on the hand.
