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I think with the one caller on the flop between you and villain I would definitely raise being OOP with very little room for improvement. If you peg him as tight and aggressive he’s going to c-bebt this with most of his range so the check is good and you currently have him crushed minus QQ (unless you think he’s opening 33, 55? Not so tight but very aggressive). At least the flop re-raise gives you a ton of info for the turn. It may kill your action a bit depending on the player.
The turn hits your range a lot heavier than his, so the re-raise is clear. If he’s tank calling that turn re-raise you know you’re good most of the time I think. Would he 3-bet QQ? Would he 3-bet AA, AQ, AK, KK, KQ?Hey TFree. This is a place I have always leaked as well. EP with a top-o-my range hand, do I flat, lead or 3-bet, if I whiff do I play it like I crushed or get timid. I often would find myself just going super passive after leading or raising and losing more than I felt I should have, mostly because I just wasn’t sure what to do next.
After reading a ton on this specific issue and more importantly, I think, looking back at my own hand history and thinking about the game I was in I started to see where I was allowing myself to be exploited (on the turn for me). I’m still shit in this spot, but It’s getting much easier to decide how to adjust for specific tables (there is no 100% strategy of course) and purposefully mixing up my range in the process, because I’m trying to think about it before it becomes an issue.
I think I (and a lot of people) get emotional in EP about laying down what we perceive to be “top” of our range hands. Trying to remove cash and ego will help promote correct decision making, even if that decision ultimately hurts both.
FYI I’m just a rec player trying to get better so take any advise I have with a huge grain of salt. Love this board, it’s always helping me think differently. Cheers.
Hey Trent,
I would call that river bet every time as well. I feel like I would 3-bet it 90% of the time unless I knew this player well and had some specific reason not to, with the understanding, of course, that player will sometimes be dominating with this line. He’s playing it really “big pocket pair” so what can you do.
With you holding Ad and Kd on the board it seems his range is really limited here. Best case is he’s on AxAx, KxQd, JxQd, QxQd or the dream hand QdJd. Would this player 3-bet here with all of, or any of these hands? In the SB?
It looks like he played this pretty transparent, so I guess if you were the nitty-est player ever you could find a fold on the flop, but what fun would that be and you’ve flopped nearly best case scenario for your hand so bailing seems out of the question. Most other flops and you could get off this easily. I think I would have gotten stacked 9/10 times here, so chalk your flat on the river up to good play.
Cheers!
Thanks for the feedback, it’s appreciated!
I really want to agree that my line wasn’t actually that bad until the flat on the flop. After that I feel like I went pretty passive and just called off (which is disappointing but I make bad plays all the time so you learn and move on) but the problem has been I can’t find any time where I would flat the flop 3-bet, especially with only a 1/3 pot or less behind…like, ever.
I think it was just so far off of how I would play this in 95% of cases that I just shut down in terms of thinking it out. Does anyone else experience making this type of mistake, or making a play far outside your norm by mistake, and then just shutting down to a calling station?
Thanks again for the feedback and advise, glad to have found the forum!