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  • #4216
    Joe
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    Yes I agree hans the option to straddle back in instead of posting is great. Patrick, I think the 3 bet pre flop is probably the better choice and had it a middle position open instead of utg I most likely would have leaned more towards putting in the 3 bet.
    Thanks for the input guys and as always good luck at the tables.

    #4160
    Joe
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    Hey Kyle, I like your vlogs so keep up the good work on that end. I think once the flop hits and the guy who flopped 2 pair checks your almost ensured to lose all your money the way the board ran out. Jamming on the turn when you’ve got the nuts is a good thing, you want to get the money in when you’re good and just hit an unfortunate river card. I guess you could make an argument for flatting the turn bet and deciding how to navigate once the river is out, however at that point if the board pairs or a club hits you’ve given away $55 when you were 100% sure you were ahead on the turn. Overall I think the play you made was right the result just wasn’t the best. Good luck on the tables.

    #2716
    Joe
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    Thanks guys, Jnuts I don’t think I can ever fold this pre flop. Seems way too tight and even though I have to play the rest of the hand out of position if I can make a good hand it should be well disguised. Part of my reason for the check on the flop was to pot control. I didn’t want to lead out for $50, or $75 get raised to $150-200 (as John said with 4 callers pre flop I’m behind right now 99% of the time) and be put in a really tough spot. The way I saw it was if I’m going to try to continue after the flop and make my hand on the turn better to try to get there at reasonable price. When I raised to $300 on the turn I thought my opponent would probably call the $300 but might not call the $450 and felt I was almost certainly ahead. I did realize the 10♥️ isn’t the most amazing card if he had QJ, I would be in very serious trouble. With that being said the only combo of QJ I was putting him on was QJ♣️. Why? Because he bet out on the flop, and I had called him down and seen him get called down by others in hands and had not seen him lead out on any boards with draws. He had called with draws but not led out, however if he was going to lead with a draw QJ♣️ might be the one strong enough to do it on this board. Also while I’m thinking about it, the straddle player straddled every time around on his button and his raise frequency was only about 1 in 5. Anyway I really appreciate you all taking the time to respond and giving me different perspective. Thanks and good luck at the tables everyone.

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    #2704
    Joe
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    Well put dave, i think everything you said is good stuff. I like your style. I agree that losing comes in steaks and sometimes is unavoidable, but it’s worth it for the upswing you usually get in return as long as you’re playing solid poker with good fundamental strategy. And yes you want people to chase their flush draws, with knowing the end result in this hand and that the guy did hit his flush, that was my main reason for wanting the opponent to fold rather than chase.

    #2701
    Joe
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    Hey Jarrin, I think you played the hand fairly well overall. Pre flop raise size is the same as I use in 1/2 if no one has raised in front of me or straddled. Your flop bet is 2/3 pot size which seems appropriate in this situation, I think the only question is on the turn. When the second flush draw comes on board and you have no blockers to either flush I think you should probably shove. I realize that’s $163 in to $114 but with how you explained the 2 players you were up against, I think it might be your only way to win the hand. That thought might also be incorrect, you might not be able to get rid of the 1st villain after the turn with him having top pair + flush draw and 800 going into the hand, I doubt he is too concerned with losing 163 after putting 37 in and he would still have 600 behind. As far as moving up to 2/5 I think that should be based off your win rate and if you can afford it. Hope my reply helps, good luck in the future.

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