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Hi Han,
This flop raise is simply way too small to generate much fold equity, if any. The pot is already over $100+the $15 from the donk better and an additional $15 from the co. A $60 raise here simply won’t cut it. I like this hand to bluff with (especially if it has bdfd potential), and I think we can credibly raise to a size in the $110-$120 region, so that we can get stacks in on the turn and apply maximum pressure. As for the co, I don’t put a whole lot of stock into his flatting range otf, but hard to say. Could be peeling cheap with a weak draw, could be calling to induce a raise by the pfr, hard to tell. In general though, I like this spot to bluff, perhaps with an even wider range than normal, as I think you can generate many folds either on this street or the turn; reason being the donk-bettor’s range is often going to be capped to draws and weak pairs, and the co’s range doesn’t connect all the strong with this flop (does co play 9Ts this way? 99?) As for the turn, as played, I think we should be betting here mostly for the same reasons we should be raising wider on the flop. V is obv a loose-fish, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see him peel this flop with a hand like 88 after donking for 15, so a turn bet I think is optimal, but checking isn’t terrible either. I think a hand with a little more equity such as JQs or a flush draw maybe better but KQ is fine. As for the river, V’s open-limp then call oop and donk for <1/5 pot indicates to me a very weak, fishy player, regardless of what his range may look like. If he has 89o here and played it this way, I think it’s very reasonable to assume he may have 78, J8, JQ + the myriad of other straight draws and play them in a similar way. As played on this river, against this type of opponent, getting nearly 5:1 on a call against what is clearly a total moron, you’ll need a crowbar to pry me away from KQ. Matter of fact, KQ may be better to have here than AK as we block the nut straight.
I don’t think V will play Tx this way, but given the clear amount of garbo in his pre-flop range, I think folding this river would be nitting it up a little too much. Also, I’m not really sure what lead you to the conclusion that a river xr is never a bluff at these stakes, but I would suggest eliminating those kinds of thoughts as they can lead to making huge incorrect assumptions about our opponents in a vacuum and can be very costly. Just my 2 cents, interested in what others have to say.There a few interesting things about this hand.
1.) As a general rule, we should be topping up to a full stack when possible, i.e, $300. The more the better as this maximises our value.
2.) As already pointed out, a larger pfr is necessary here. I like ~$45 being oop, and the apparent fishiness of the table. Charge them!
3.) Your decision to jam is fine and most certainly winning money. For your opponent to have specifically AA or KK, you need to have a strong, large sample to prove they would play such premiums that way. QQ is far, FAR ahead of a MP calling < 3bb open range in a live setting. Vast majority of players will be 3betting in this situation with AA/KK. Calling here leaving behind 140 or whatever you had left seems ridiculous with a hand as strong as ours in this situation. Unlucky to run into AA, favourable Q high runoutInteresting, thanks for the replies. I fully agree with deeper stacks an open-call even for this number of blinds seems standard. I’m going to stop getting so stick with these hands pre in situations like this.
Also, thanks David for the advice and lowering open sizes, I just find that generally at the tables I play anything under a $15 open will get a torrent of callers. Worth trying a switch up though.
Cheers guys
In a loose game I would be cautious about playing a drawing hand such as K10s – not even a strong drawing hand at that – OOP and raising it up utg. So long as there aren’t too many 3bets pf it’s ok but I still think borderline, especially if the pot is likely to go multiway.
You said that the SB was a super tight reg. Limping then flatting your raise with 35s and then proceeding to snap off with bottom pair doesn’t seem to fit that description of him? Did I misread something?
Flop was well played – I wouldn’t expect many folds from the sb after he donk leads into 3 other players for 3/4 pot but against a large range of holdings you hold a good chunk of equity. Reload and get back after it.
Hey Dave,
I’m just curious as to why you think a 2/3 pot sized bet would be better on this flop? Not questioning it, just wondering.
Hey John, thanks for the reply; everything you said is exactly what went through my head at the table. Just wanted to make sure I was on the right track. Also, he didn’t actually tell me personally, he told my friend who was sitting to my left while I was involved in a hand. So he very well could’ve been lying but idk seemed pretty legit at the time.
Thanks again!Totally agree with your assessment of what my range looks like. It’s just so bizarre because if he put me on what I had (a big pocket pair) he should know surely that just about any river other than a 3,7 or 8 is a pretty comfortable call.
Looking back on it, I think he was trying to “make a play” on me and got incredibly lucky, lol.
Thanks for the feedback, John.
What an awkward spot. I think that if the villain is capable as you say, he has plenty of bluffs here in his range, especially spade draws (did you have the Qs?).
I think getting nearly 3:1 on the river call, with AK being folded and with you blocking AQ this is a shrug and call as played.
The problem with the river is that the most obvious straight draw (J9) gets there, and if he had a hand like K10hh, J10hh, Axhh etc those just got there too. Those hands are pretty unlikely though, I would imagine, especially the heart draws, would barrel turn.
I like the way you played this hand, overall.
Interesting, I feel like after she limp called preflop and checked 3 streets her hand was marginal and trying to reach a cheap showdown by river. I thought that checking turn was what I would do with a strong Q for pot control or possibly a 9 that I decided to cbet flop with. Not to mention i wasn’t expecting specifically royal-rag with a Q, but there you go i guess. And she didn’t snap call, she tank called
Thanks very much for the feedback everyone. I guess another thing is that it’s a 1/2 table so in general the chances of them bluffing are decreased lol.
Appreciate all the responses!
Thanks for the feedback, Chuck.
I just figured blocking both JQ and AJ, with J10 and JK both beating me meant his Jx range that calls a 3bet preflop was pretty limited in terms of hands we beat. But as you say, would be shocked if he turned over a boat after checking both turn and riv.
Good call on the fd, didn’t even consider that.
