[Dan]

I see what you are saying Pat, with a raise on the flop. So if hero raises and then gets 3 bet, are you saying to then fold? Bcuz hero is still beating any type of drawing hands that he decided to do that with.

I dont mind this call line with intentions of calling any bet on a brick turn card, and also keep in his bluffs. AQ, AK, AA, KK and a number of drawing hands can obviously be a part of his range here, which youre beating, and could just be trying to price you out of a call with some type of draw, not realizing you flopped 2 pair, since you just called flop.

I like both lines, but with that turn card I dont think you can go anywhere. I am obviously not thrilled here, but I just think your too strong too fold, and under repped as well. If had a set or a straight here, I dont see why he would put out such a large bet when your hand doesnt look that strong in his eyes. I would think he would want to keep you in and bet smaller if he was strong.

That being said, you know he could show up with a set or a straight here sometimes. I am def not loving the situation by any means, but I dont think a call can ever be that bad here. Tough spot tho either way.

Hope my thoughts helped a little!

So what ended up happening?

[Dan]

Hey Rob,

Good to have another local in the group.

There are about 5 of us right now. We are using an app called GroupMe.

Im talking to Patrick now to find out how to add you. Whats your number?

– Dan

[Dan]

Thanks Mich,

That was one of my dilemmas with my stack size. If I had less than 200 behind I snap call that bet. So there were a couple different things I was thinking about here and could not pull the trigger on the call even tho his line made no sense.

Thanks a lot for your response! I really appreciate it!

[Dan]

Hey Dave,

These spots are always tricky when you have an above avg hand in position and get lead into on the river. I agree with Chris on the first hand, that a crying call is probly the right play. The pre flop action is what makes me want to call there. So he limp called pre flop? If he somehow shows up with 10s plus then so be it lol. At the same time it is a tough spot like I said to be lead into on the river when they check called the whole way, so its not the worst fold ever either.

I was in a similar situation that I posted on here, the topic is called PLEASE GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS GROSS SPOT!!!

Hand 2: That’s a hand you can def raise to knock players out pre, but I don’t see anything wrong with how you played it either. Just an unfortunate turn card. If you are going to raise it pre flop though you have to make it $20 minimum in my opinion with $13 already in the pot, just to make sure hands like that fold. As for the call or fold question, that is a big jam. I honestly probly fold there too knowing its probly not the right play if that makes sense. Because like Chris said, how often is she calling your 3 bet with 9x? Not often, but her shove sizing would make me believe she did in fact call with one, and I would probly fold too, knowing it makes no sense. If she had 9x you would think she would just check it to you, so idk man, another spot where I can not blame you for laying it down.

Hope this helped a little bit!

[Dan]

Hey Pocket,

Hand 1: I think the only thing I would’ve done differently is not raise the river. Seems like you already know this. If you didn’t much behind on the river then I can see shoving maybe, but youre too deep for that play given your actual hand strength. This has to be a bet/call in my opinion. This is a losing play in the long run, if you want to think about it that way.

Hand 2: Nothing you can do about that one, just a bad beat and unlucky to run into quads twice on the same night, damnnn. Hope I helped a little bit!

[Dan]

Hey Mich,

I agree, I think its a shove here on the flop. But I cant really fault you for expecting a bet here with aggressive players like you said.

I dont think you really made any mistakes given you had the right plan, it just didnt go as hoped. Just shoving the flop does make sense considering your stack size, and you dont really have enough chips to get to tricky as you found out.

But I think you already know that which is why I dont think you did anything wrong really with the plan you had in mind. Just happened to not work out.

If you have time, feel free to take a look at a hand I posted a few days ago in a cash game. Topic is called PLEASE GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS GROSSS SPOT!!!

Hope my thoughts helped man!

[Dan]

Whats up Shane,

I think your hand needs to be a raise or fold here pre flop, preferably a fold for me, to avoid situations like this to begin with. But since you called, I wouldve check folded on the flop. I just dont think you hit the flop hard enough to continue here, especially with two other players.

Again, since you did call and turned a set, I like the check/ call. On the river, I think it is a check call, or a bet/fold given the strength of buttons range here. Im not really in love with buttons raise on the river either. He is usually only getting better to call him like full houses etc.

I was in a similar situation as the button a few days ago, and I posted it in on here if you wanted to take a look. Topic is called PLEASE GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS GROSSS SPOT!!!

I wasnt able to put it into ShareMyPair because it would not let me get past the first page where you enter the blinds and all that. Any help on how to input hands would be great also.

Hope my thoughts helped man!

[Dan]

Hey thanks a lot for your thoughts guys, I really appreciate it.

The other factor that went into this hand was the fact that I had never been this deep before in a game sitting at around 1k. Any other day I wouldve just gotten my stack in no problem and chalked it up as a cooler. But sitting this deep, I really just did not want to be wrong if I called. Villain has no way of knowing this though, so…

Idk, I have never been so obsessed about a hand before in my life then with this one. Next time its worth a call just to see wtf they have. That has to have some value right???? Sleep at night value???

You guys are awesome, thanks!

[Dan]

Side note: Villain is a competent winning player from what I gathered from playing with him. Around 30 years old

[Dan]

Hey guys,

I think a text group is a great idea.

If anyone wants to start one, here is my number. I live in Vegas and play regularly 5 to 6 days a week, and actually have a gross spot I had tonight that I would love to bounce off anyone who is willing to listen. 207-239-5404, my name is Dan.

Looking forward to hearing from you guys!

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